Why Is Everyone Turning On Heupel?

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sjt18 said:
Well in any group of 100 people you'll have at least a couple of idiots. ANYONE making any association between Butch Jones and Josh Heupel is abjectly stupid... or someone trying to be a clever troll.
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I just did right before your post and it has nothing to do with comparing coaching on the field.
 
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It's not everyone. Saturday was a shock to the senses and was not even close to expected. People are just lashing out at anything they can latch onto and everybody is catching strays. Criticism isn't "turning" on somebody. This too shall pass. Beat Vandy...10-2....top 10...great bowl...all that will heal a lot of wounds. We will talk about that game as "what might have been" for decades.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
There's more to just coaching. Whatever happened last week Heupel didn't handle well internally. It showed through the play on both sides of the ball.

It gives me Butch vibes to allow the team to implode while sitting #5 with the UM vs OSU game the following week.
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No it doesn't. Jones' culture was bad from the start and by that year it was toxic. It is a credit to Dobbs and a few others that the players pulled it together.

You have no idea whether Heupel handled it well or not. There is no evidence that the incident had anything to do with the D being that bad. Heupel is an excellent leader. Jones is not. Sometimes there is no miracle fix... sometimes there's the best choice among crappy choices. But if Banks was in the wrong on something and Heupel stood firm even to the point of sacrificing a single game then it will pay dividends. That is also something Jones would have NEVER done.
 
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sjt18 said:
No it doesn't. Jones' culture was bad from the start and by that year it was toxic. It is a credit to Dobbs and a few others that the players pulled it together.

You have no idea whether Heupel handled it well or not. There is no evidence that the incident had anything to do with the D being that bad. Heupel is an excellent leader. Jones is not. Sometimes there is no miracle fix... sometimes there's the best choice among crappy choices. But if Banks was in the wrong on something and Heupel stood firm even to the point of sacrificing a single game then it will pay dividends. That is also something Jones would have NEVER done.
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Year one of Butch was not toxic. And yes, the evidence on the field tells me all I need to know.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
There's more to just coaching. Whatever happened last week Heupel didn't handle well internally. It showed through the play on both sides of the ball.

It gives me Butch vibes to allow the team to implode while sitting #5 with the UM vs OSU game the following week.
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Butch never would have beat Bama nor LSU this season for that matter
 
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sjt18 said:
Well in any group of 100 people you'll have at least a couple of idiots. ANYONE making any association between Butch Jones and Josh Heupel is abjectly stupid... or someone trying to be a clever troll.
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I think some people confuse being upset with a performance and angry with it as mutiny against the head coach. Similarly when calls for firing coordinators and position coaches happen some feel the boss is being attacked.

I mean it’s not 100% crazy as those things happen after something appears to have been screwed up. Since ultimately the head coach is responsible for the team’s performance people being angry and criticizing things makes some think people are barely a step away from the fire Heupel posts.

Add to that some minority of crazy people actually think the current body of work Heupel has presented looks anything like the last several coaches and you get some of those comments tossed in, which just confirms to the first group they are their concerns are valid. I mean I guess his year one looks a lot like Kiffin, but he didn’t bail on us after that and has given us a significant season 2.

I said it wasn’t completely crazy, but it is wrong or at least way premature. Every single coach is going to have bad things occur, sometimes really bad things that shouldn’t. Criticism is completely fine and even good. Doesn’t mean you hate a coach. One can get to a point where a large number of fans feel a coach is a failure only after they have a number of troubling things happen that were not dealt with in a way that lessened concerns.
 
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CJH has a tough road to hold. No defense, pre-madonnas in the locker room, not sure if the backup has pocket presents, and his DC is currently the escape goat.

I am going to take the USCjr loss with a grade of slaw. If he loses to the Commode Doors, then I will be worried about his HC ability.
 
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People are upset because of how the season has unfolded till up to last Saturday since we were right in the thick of a playoff spot. Losing to SC was inexcusable but nobody is tuning on JH. If anyone should be at risk of losing their job, it’s Willie Martinez and Tim Banks. We’re ranked dead last in pass defense.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
It's not everyone. Saturday was a shock to the senses and was not even close to expected. People are just lashing out at anything they can latch onto and everybody is catching strays. Criticism isn't "turning" on somebody. This too shall pass. Beat Vandy...10-2....top 10...great bowl...all that will heal a lot of wounds. We will talk about that game as "what might have been" for decades.
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That's the key to me right there. I don't think many have "turned" on the coach. I've not turned on Heupel and he has far exceeded my expectations for this season... unless they lose to Vandy. Even with Hooker out there is no reason not only to lose that game but for it to even be close. If Heupel is the coach we think he is he should have that team ready to play and dominate the trenches. That's all it will take. If Vandy's o-line can mimmick Carolina and look like the 85 Bears, we have problems.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Year one of Butch was not toxic. And yes, the evidence on the field tells me all I need to know.
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It was. There was also a lot of evidence that Jones had issues with preparing and calling games, as as well as using his talent most effectively. I think he could have been ok schematically with good coordinators but the real problems long term were how he treated players and managed them depending on who they were, which did not work out well when bad things happened.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I cannot believe the comments I’m reading in some of the threads. This season has been a success and not one logical person thought we’d beat Bama and be ranked in the Top 10 at this point in the season. Remember the god awful mess Heupel inherited with all the drama surrounded with the NCAA and numerous players transferring? I don’t know about you but I don’t miss having a boring offense who struggled to score against Vandy and Georgia St. Whoever is complaining about Heupel at this point should just stop watching sports all together.

This was NOT going to be an easy rebuild.
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First and foremost, nobody is turning on Heupel!!! Secondly, Banks needs to get his act togehter on the defense!!!
 
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I don't know about Banks, but Martinez has never impressed me with his coaching ability. But either way, if you don't have high impact players, you get what you get. Hopefully, those impact type players are coming soon to a university near us. (UT)
 
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If he loses to Vandy this Saturday, he is coaching for his job next season. I have little to no sympathy for millionaires. Flame away, but you will all soon fall in line with my point of view if the losing starts piling up
 
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Majors said:
Some believe because they go to games and pay XYZ to sit in the stadium they are supposed/entitled to be given a detail of what went on.
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I really think those who bet on the games seem to take this like a lot too. I’m sure plenty of bettors do not. I have nothing against it, and I don’t bet sports myself, but if I did I couldn’t imagine betting Tennessee. The emotions as a plain fan are enough to skew my feelings at times, adding money to that is for other people for sure..
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I cannot believe the comments I’m reading in some of the threads. This season has been a success and not one logical person thought we’d beat Bama and be ranked in the Top 10 at this point in the season. Remember the god awful mess Heupel inherited with all the drama surrounded with the NCAA and numerous players transferring? I don’t know about you but I don’t miss having a boring offense who struggled to score against Vandy and Georgia St. Whoever is complaining about Heupel at this point should just stop watching sports all together.

This was NOT going to be an easy rebuild.
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💯 with you! I'm ride or die Coach HEUPEL! Message Boards aliases and "tweeters" might be, but that's not the REAL FAN BASE!!
 
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