Why Is Everyone Turning On Heupel?

[utvols74]

No one is turning on Heupel. But we've seen the Martinez movie more times than we can count. We're ready for a change in DB coach. Even with more talented DBs, I'm not sure he can develop and subsequently deliver on field results.

 

[UTFanHades]

People are turning on Heupel?

They aren’t-it’s just this stupid false dichotomy that happens on the football forum where you’re not allowed to criticize a generational loss on one side and must demand a coach firing on the other side.

 

[iuvol]

I cannot believe the comments I’m reading in some of the threads. This season has been a success and not one logical person thought we’d beat Bama and be ranked in the Top 10 at this point in the season. Remember the god awful mess Heupel inherited with all the drama surrounded with the NCAA and numerous players transferring? I don’t know about you but I don’t miss having a boring offense who struggled to score against Vandy and Georgia St. Whoever is complaining about Heupel at this point should just stop watching sports all together.

This was NOT going to be an easy rebuild.

I am not

 

[KeyVol14]

If we lose to Vandy it’s not gonna sit well with a lot of fans. Thats just the nature of it….all the hard work to get to the top of rankings will look like it was a fluke at that point. This team must have some pride and play with some energy Saturday night.

 

[bpalmer28]

If anyone is posting negative things about Heupel, I must already have them blocked because I ain't seeing it.

This is a very proud moment for me!

 

[iuvol]

I don’t think anyone rational is turning on him. I do think people are disappointed with the South Carolina game and should be. I also think we have plenty of reasons to be optimistic. I said this elsewhere, but it’s kind of buried in a thread. To those who feel this is the same old rebuild they have seen before, you are wrong. He might still fail, but what he has done with his rebuild in the time he has been here is head and shoulders above the rest.

I haven’t done it yet, but I’m going to go through all of the seasons Kiffin to present and compile a list of games we lost that we should have won. So far with Heupel for sure we have South Carolina but with each of the other guys except maybe Kiffin (we will see) off the top of my head I can think of more than that. The stat details are first but skip to paragraphs at the end if you want the highlights.

After Fulmer was fired our seasons have looked like this:

Kiffin: 7-6 (2009)
Dooley: 6-7, 5-7, 5-7 (2010-12)
Jones: 5-7, 7-6, 9-4, 9-4, 4-8 (2013-17)
Pruitt: 5-7, 8-5, 3-7 (2018-20)
Heupel 7-6, 9-2 (2021-22)*
* Heupel has one regular season game and a bowl left.

Win/Loss/SEC Record:
Kiffin: 7-6, 4-4 SEC
Dooley: 16-21, 5-19 SEC
Jones: 34-29, 14-26 SEC
Pruitt: 16-19, 10-16 SEC
Heupel:16-8, 9-6 SEC*
* Heupel has one SEC game left

Peak SEC Rank:
Kiffin: #3 SEC East
Dooley: #4 SEC East
Jones: #2 SEC East
Pruitt: #3 SEC East
Heupel: #2 SEC East

Bowl Record:
Kiffin: 0-1 (L Chic-Fil-A Bowl)
Dooley: 0-1 (L Music City Bowl)
Jones: 3-0 (W TaxSlayer Bowl, W OutBack Bowl, W Music City Bowl)
Pruitt: 1-0 (W Gator Bowl)
Heupel: 0-1* (L Music City Bowl, TBD*)
* Heupel is eligible for his second bowl but it hasn’t been played yet)

Best Rankings:
Kiffin: NR
Dooley: #23 AP (2012)
Jones: #9 AP (2016)
Pruitt: #16 AP (2019)
Heupel: #1 CFP (2022)

Total Weeks Ranked:
Kiffin: 0 (Never)
Dooley: 1 (2012)
Jones : 12 (2015, 2016)
Pruitt: 2 (2019)
Heupel: 10 (2022)*
*Heupel has one regular season game and a bowl game left so more weeks ranked are likely to be added.

Total Ranked Wins:
Kiffin: 1 (#21 South Carolina)
Dooley: 0*
Jones: 5 (#11 South Carolina, #19 Georgia, #13 Northwestern, #19 Florida, #25 Georgia
Pruitt: 2 (#21 Auburn, #12 Kentucky)
Heupel: 6 (#18 Kentucky, #17 Pittsburgh, #20 Florida, #25 LSU, #3 Alabama, #19 Kentucky)
* Dooley technically beat #12 Montana, which would be cool if it was an FBS team and not FCS. Some other guys beat some ranked FCS too but hey, let’s call out Dooley in the asterisk.

Best Ranked Win:
Kiffin: #21 South Carolina
Dooley: None
Jones: #11 South Carolina
Pruitt: #12 Kentucky
Heupel: #3 Alabama

Heupel has the highest number of ranked wins at 6, the highest ranked win over #3 Alabama (only coach to beat that team), is second at 10 weeks as a ranked team to Jones with 12 with weeks to go in this season, has the highest rank achieved at #1 and the only top 5 rank achieved.

He is tied with Jones for the highest SEC East finish at #2 having achieved it once in 2022, his second season, but Jones did achieve in twice in 2015-16, his third and fourth seasons. There is an 2022 SEC East game left to play but it doesn’t affect the East race.

He is the only coach except Kiffin with a winning SEC record at 9-6 compared to Kiffin’s 4-4. His total number of SEC wins is third: Jones has 14, Pruitt 10, Heupel 9, Dooley, 4 and Kiffin 4.

He has been to one bowl and lost but is bowl eligible again in his second season with results TBD. He is second in bowl eligible seasons with 2 next to Jones who had 3, whereas everyone else has 1. Jones leads bowl wins with a 3-0 record, Pruitt comes in at second with 1-0, and the rest of the field is currently tied at 0-1. If Heupel wins he will match Pruitt in wins but have appeared in more bowls. If he loses he will remain tied with the others without a bowl win, but still two straight appearances in his first two seasons.

All of these accomplishments have happened in 24 games. Jones had 63, Dooley 37, Pruitt 35, and Kiffin 13.

I believe he inherited a bigger mess than any of the coaches.

 

[JPL]

Guess I missed all the turning on Heupel threads....

Sure are plenty on Banks and Martinez and that's a valid discussion.

This, Banks and Martinez should be let go. I haven't read much at all about everyone turning on Heupel, he's done a remarkable job in a short time. Defense has to be fixed and Banks and Martinez are not the guys to fix it. Last Saturday was a gross defensive embarrassment. Worse than anything I ever saw with Sunseri.

 

[Stephen Gray]

My personal opinion is that by the time the ‘Fire <insert head coach>!’ threads and posts are out regularly things have been suboptimal for a really long time (at least a couple bad seasons, with bad being relative. A season with decent w/l can be bad if there are clear bungled issues not being addressed year to hear and it seems to be ceiling), or things have been really good for a few years and a bad thing happens. Right now only a small number imply anything remotely like fire the head coach. Here’s to hoping we have won as couple of Championships and lost a game to a good team that has our fans outraged before we really do see such nonsense.

 

[KeyVol14]

I don’t think anyone rational is turning on him. I do think people are disappointed with the South Carolina game and should be. I also think we have plenty of reasons to be optimistic. I said this elsewhere, but it’s kind of buried in a thread. To those who feel this is the same old rebuild they have seen before, you are wrong. He might still fail, but what he has done with his rebuild in the time he has been here is head and shoulders above the rest.

I haven’t done it yet, but I’m going to go through all of the seasons Kiffin to present and compile a list of games we lost that we should have won. So far with Heupel for sure we have South Carolina but with each of the other guys except maybe Kiffin (we will see) off the top of my head I can think of more than that. The stat details are first but skip to paragraphs at the end if you want the highlights.

After Fulmer was fired our seasons have looked like this:

Kiffin: 7-6 (2009)
Dooley: 6-7, 5-7, 5-7 (2010-12)
Jones: 5-7, 7-6, 9-4, 9-4, 4-8 (2013-17)
Pruitt: 5-7, 8-5, 3-7 (2018-20)
Heupel 7-6, 9-2 (2021-22)*
* Heupel has one regular season game and a bowl left.

Win/Loss/SEC Record:
Kiffin: 7-6, 4-4 SEC
Dooley: 16-21, 5-19 SEC
Jones: 34-29, 14-26 SEC
Pruitt: 16-19, 10-16 SEC
Heupel:16-8, 9-6 SEC*
* Heupel has one SEC game left

Peak SEC Rank:
Kiffin: #3 SEC East
Dooley: #4 SEC East
Jones: #2 SEC East
Pruitt: #3 SEC East
Heupel: #2 SEC East

Bowl Record:
Kiffin: 0-1 (L Chic-Fil-A Bowl)
Dooley: 0-1 (L Music City Bowl)
Jones: 3-0 (W TaxSlayer Bowl, W OutBack Bowl, W Music City Bowl)
Pruitt: 1-0 (W Gator Bowl)
Heupel: 0-1* (L Music City Bowl, TBD*)
* Heupel is eligible for his second bowl but it hasn’t been played yet)

Best Rankings:
Kiffin: NR
Dooley: #23 AP (2012)
Jones: #9 AP (2016)
Pruitt: #16 AP (2019)
Heupel: #1 CFP (2022)

Total Weeks Ranked:
Kiffin: 0 (Never)
Dooley: 1 (2012)
Jones : 12 (2015, 2016)
Pruitt: 2 (2019)
Heupel: 10 (2022)*
*Heupel has one regular season game and a bowl game left so more weeks ranked are likely to be added.

Total Ranked Wins:
Kiffin: 1 (#21 South Carolina)
Dooley: 0*
Jones: 5 (#11 South Carolina, #19 Georgia, #13 Northwestern, #19 Florida, #25 Georgia
Pruitt: 2 (#21 Auburn, #12 Kentucky)
Heupel: 6 (#18 Kentucky, #17 Pittsburgh, #20 Florida, #25 LSU, #3 Alabama, #19 Kentucky)
* Dooley technically beat #12 Montana, which would be cool if it was an FBS team and not FCS. Some other guys beat some ranked FCS too but hey, let’s call out Dooley in the asterisk.

Best Ranked Win:
Kiffin: #21 South Carolina
Dooley: None
Jones: #11 South Carolina
Pruitt: #12 Kentucky
Heupel: #3 Alabama

Heupel has the highest number of ranked wins at 6, the highest ranked win over #3 Alabama (only coach to beat that team), is second at 10 weeks as a ranked team to Jones with 12 with weeks to go in this season, has the highest rank achieved at #1 and the only top 5 rank achieved.

He is tied with Jones for the highest SEC East finish at #2 having achieved it once in 2022, his second season, but Jones did achieve in twice in 2015-16, his third and fourth seasons. There is an 2022 SEC East game left to play but it doesn’t affect the East race.

He is the only coach except Kiffin with a winning SEC record at 9-6 compared to Kiffin’s 4-4. His total number of SEC wins is third: Jones has 14, Pruitt 10, Heupel 9, Dooley, 4 and Kiffin 4.

He has been to one bowl and lost but is bowl eligible again in his second season with results TBD. He is second in bowl eligible seasons with 2 next to Jones who had 3, whereas everyone else has 1. Jones leads bowl wins with a 3-0 record, Pruitt comes in at second with 1-0, and the rest of the field is currently tied at 0-1. If Heupel wins he will match Pruitt in wins but have appeared in more bowls. If he loses he will remain tied with the others without a bowl win, but still two straight appearances in his first two seasons.

All of these accomplishments have happened in 24 games. Jones had 63, Dooley 37, Pruitt 35, and Kiffin 13.

This is a great post. We’re on the right track but JH has to realize defensive staff changes have to be made. We are always gonna be competitive from an offensive standpoint but we need an Atleast serviceable defense to compliment that offense.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I cannot believe the comments I’m reading in some of the threads. This season has been a success and not one logical person thought we’d beat Bama and be ranked in the Top 10 at this point in the season. Remember the god awful mess Heupel inherited with all the drama surrounded with the NCAA and numerous players transferring? I don’t know about you but I don’t miss having a boring offense who struggled to score against Vandy and Georgia St. Whoever is complaining about Heupel at this point should just stop watching sports all together.

This was NOT going to be an easy rebuild.

Because half of them are trolls or negavols who disappeared for half the season and waited for a loss so they could frenzy post. The other half are simply football illiterate morons

 

[EZE]

I read most posts, and I've not seen any being critical of Coach Heupel................

One can be critical of the SC game (and Heupel by extension) without “turning on” Heupel.

That performance deserves plenty of criticism, but I think the vast majority of Vol fans are appreciative of the entire body of work this season. I know I am.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

video indicates ZERO effort

Geezus is that you or some one you know trying to get clicks and subs
You posted the same dang video 3 times in this thread on one page...

 

[Stephen Gray]

Geezus is that you or some one you know trying to get clicks and subs
You posted the same dang video 3 times in this thread on one page...

A guy has got to eat.

 

[Sara Clark]

The only coach I've noticed people wanting rid of is on the D line of the ball. Maybe I've missed some comments on this forum, I've intentionally not read through many threads because it just adds fuel to the fire. But yes, someone needs their backside kicked. There is absolutely NO excuse for the stomping we received the other night. A playoff and possibly a National Championship game went sailing away.....BECAUSE WE LOST TO SC of all teams, both SC and Vandy shouldn't have been a problem...yet here we are.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

A guy has got to eat.

Hey you're right about that.
The best course of action though would've just been to post the video and put time stamps in your comments of what you want people to see and look at

 

[turbovol]

I like Heupel, he's done good things. That said, I'm not sure his offensive system is going stay potent over time. Opponents will adjust--they
already have--and, while it's been very effective, it doesn't strike me as all that creative. Hey, whatever works. We certain need to improve defensively or we'll become the Boise State of the SEC--scoring 45 and giving up 48.

 

[Matt2496]

Cause a few trolls are saying bad things about Heupel that translates to everyone? Ok.

 

[KeyVol14]

I like Heupel, he's done good things. That said, I'm not sure his offensive system is going stay potent over time. Opponents will adjust--they
already have--and, while it's been very effective, it doesn't strike me as all that creative. Hey, whatever works. We certain need to improve defensively or we'll become the Boise State of the SEC--scoring 45 and giving up 48.

Nobody has figured out his offense and the stats prove that.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The drama is always on.

 

[Stephen Gray]

Cause a few trolls are saying bad things about Heupel that translates to everyone? Ok.

It’s a well known bias. I forget what it is called and am a little lazy atm. But: You see such a post and it catches your attention, later you see another. These posts upset you so you are focused on them than the tons of other posts you also saw. That makes it seem like there are more than there are and it is a bigger issue than it really is.

 

[calban]

The TROLL TROLLER speaks. No one has turned on JH. Defense deserves a lot of critic for not showing up. 9-2 in season 2 with a regressing defense speaks volumes for a young and growing coach.

 

[OrangeTsar]

They’re not.

next question?

 

[LadyVolette]

No one:

Random internet person: “OMG, I’m incredulous at the things I sit here and imagine!”

oh, that made me laugh, so true

 

[DaddyChad]

First idk that anyone really has an issue with Heupel. That defensive performance though is going to bring ample criticism.

 

[Stephen Gray]

The TROLL TROLLER speaks. No one has turned on JH. Defense deserves a lot of critic for not showing up. 9-2 in season 2 with a regressing defense speaks volumes for a young and growing coach.

I think it does too. Dude is incredible, but there is an obstacle in his way. It is not stopping him, and he achieving in spite of it, but now and again it is slowing him down. This is a fine position to be in my opinion. He just has to deal with it. Obviously it’s tricky and there are limitations depending on how he chooses to go about it, but this is an incredible opportunity for our head coach early in his tenure.