Why is Trump destroying NATO ?

[volfanhill]

Donald Trump'''s attack on Germany has poked a hornet’s nest lurking beneath the EU'''s facade of unity

 

[golfballs]

**triggering intensifies**

 

[Jxn Vol]

I tried to vote, but I didn’t see the option that says:

E. We finally have a president with a set of stones that puts America first.

Or the option that says:

F. The creator of this poll is an unhinged liberal that lacks the ability to accept losing an election, and has decided that anything Trump says or does warrants removal from office.

I would be inclined to choose G, both E and F

 

[lawgator1]

I saw nothing in that video confirming your tirade LG. 20 bucks offer stands.

Get your eyes checked.

 

[Burhead]

That's what seems to be lost in this discussion.

There is nothing wrong with addressing problems within NATO, but that doesn't necessitate one take this approach with a lack of tact.

I agree completely but what do we do when using backdoor channels for years haven't resulted in increased military spending? Germany is, and always will be, the key figure for European security and yet the Bundeswehr is just a shell of its former self. A few years ago there were reports of soldiers using broom sticks for weapons and now news reports are coming out that out of 128 Eurofighters only 4 German planes are combat worthy that is totally unacceptable for such a country as Germany. I'm all for keeping our presence in Europe but if Western Europe refuses to meet their obligations than I don't mind cutting them loose and focusing on loyal American allies in the east and Baltic's.

‘They Will Die in Tallinn’: Estonia Girds for War With Russia - POLITICO Magazine

Why should we fund Western Europe's demise when we have people in Estonia who are willing to shoulder their responsibilities to the best of their abilities? One last point, I give Trump credit here, I saw a report the other day the US is exploring the possibility of basing troops out of Poland in the near future.

 

[golfballs]

What Trump is doing is extremely positive for us and for NATO. Standing around, holding hands, singing kumbaya is not helpful to anyone. It just soothes LG's FEELZ

 

[Grand Vol]

Auntie Angela is pissed, though she doesn't address the criticism.

Trump and Merkel are headed for a one-on-one showdown after Trump said Germany was Russia's puppet - AOL News

Just hours after Trump's comments, Merkel fired back, saying she lived in East Germany under Soviet control, and that things are different now.

"I am very happy that today we are united in freedom, the Federal Republic of Germany. Because of that we can say that we can make our independent policies and make independent decisions. That is very good, especially for people in eastern Germany."

Merkel also defended Germany's role in NATO, and pointed out that German soldiers are still fighting for US interests in Afghanistan after the US invoked NATO's mutual defense clause following the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"Germany is the second-largest provider of troops, the largest part of our military capacity is offered to NATO and until today we have a strong engagement toward Afghanistan. In that we also defend the interests of the United States," she said.

Found this interesting...

A Reuters review of Germany's official data shows that 35.3% of German imports of oil and gas come from Russia, but the new Nord Stream 2 pipeline project is expected to increase such energy trade.

I tend to trust Reuters.

 

[AirVol]

All my military comrades may vouch for this, but every 5 star hotel I stayed in EU, the breakfast was pastries and different cheeses with a glass of OJ and bottled water.

LG doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Lmfao
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67% is still a crap ton. I'll give Trump embellishment for effect on this one.

 

[Burhead]

I just want to add that it is wonderful seeing lawgator want confront Russian aggression. I mean during the height of the Donbass War he was clearly against antagonizing the Russians over Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Now that Trump is in office and going after the North Atlantic alliance he is all the sudden a warhawk on the Russians and European security.

 

[Grand Vol]

All my military comrades may vouch for this, but every 5 star hotel I stayed in EU, the breakfast was pastries and different cheeses with a glass of OJ and bottled water.

LG doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

Strange, the one off base hotel we stayed at when we got "stuck" in Ramstein was pretty nice. Had a very lovely European and International style breakfast buffet.

I'd be pissed too if I was Kelly.

 

[landscapingvol]

Another question for the Left, why is Turkey, a member of NATO, fighting alongside Russia in Syria? Doesn’t make sense from such a staunch defender of all things free

 

[Burhead]

Another question for the Left, why is Turkey, a member of NATO, fighting alongside Russia in Syria? Doesn’t make sense from such a staunch defender of all things free

Erdoğan that is all. Turkey was alright until he go into office and destroyed Turkey's secular history and tradition.

 

[Grand Vol]

Erdoğan that is all. Turkey was alright until he go into office and destroyed Turkey's secular history and tradition.

Yeah, no.

Arrogant as eff people that have nothing to be arrogant about except where their country is located.

 

[Burhead]

I expect Georiga will be next.


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I just don't see it even though they deserve it unless they formally cede South Ossetia and Abkhazia to the Russians. It is the same why Ukraine will never get in unless they're willing to lose the east.

 

[volfanhill]

Anti-Trump Protest at NATO Draws Only a Couple Dozen

 

[BowlBrother85]

Whatever criticism Trump had to levy against Germany (and he should be able to differentiate between trade and national security), should have been kept out of the public realm. You don't bash an ally in front of cameras like that. It was uncalled for and not diplomatic at all. He is a bull in a China shop.

 

[Grand Vol]

Whatever criticism Trump had to levy against Germany (and he should be able to differentiate between trade and national security), should have been kept out of the public realm. You don't bash an ally in front of cameras like that. It was uncalled for and not diplomatic at all. He is a bull in a China shop.

To be fair, I'm not sure why they put cameras into a meeting like that anyway.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Get your eyes checked.

Still waiting on your outrage over Germany siding economically with Russia over their EU and NATO allies on natural gas. They should have learned after Russia shut off the gas to Ukraine when the invaded Crimea?

So why aren’t you calling Merkel a Russian agent. Hell there’s actual proof here in a factual 750 mile pipeline which Russia has already began to build before the EC approval is done! So the fix must be in!

 

[golfballs]

Whatever criticism Trump had to levy against Germany (and he should be able to differentiate between trade and national security), should have been kept out of the public realm. You don't bash an ally in front of cameras like that. It was uncalled for and not diplomatic at all. He is a bull in a China shop.

I disagree. The public pressure is more effective. That’s the entire point of calling them out.

Besides all those in favor of transparency should favor public discourse

 

[ajvol01]

Thanks LG......

Seriously. He's talking to himself

 

[NorthDallas40]

Whatever criticism Trump had to levy against Germany (and he should be able to differentiate between trade and national security), should have been kept out of the public realm. You don't bash an ally in front of cameras like that. It was uncalled for and not diplomatic at all. He is a bull in a China shop.

Blame the idiots that put the freaking cameras there. Trumps message is right on target.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Trump is a disaster. Come on! Get his azz out of there now! What an embarrassment he and the entire administration are to this country. Its pathetic.

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Wow, You really should take off those liberal blue glasses and take a real good look around.

Regulations gone means more businesses and corporations are building in the US, Unemployment at record lows, More money in our paychecks, Stock market up (except the correction and then it started climbing again!)

We have American citizens freed and North Korea at the negotiating table (while it may fall apart tomorrow) at least it is happening something no other President has been able to make happen because lil' Kim didn't believe them when told that ALL options are on the table.

The economy is doing fantastic and most project it to stay that way or get better as the year goes on.

Finally after 40-50 years of activist judges on the SCOTUS when can finally put back to rights a SCOTUS that sees the Constitution as the document that it is and not something that can be bent and nudged to fit a political ideology.

We finally have a President after 8 years who has true pride in his country and the office he holds and the people in it.

The everyday working men & women in this country thinks things are going pretty good.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I disagree. The public pressure is more effective. That’s the entire point of calling them out.

Besides all those in favor of transparency should favor public discourse

Public pressure? You think the German people care what Trump says? An American President isn't going to be able to exert pressure through rhetoric on another foreign power strong enough to make them change policy.

This requires diplomacy which Trump seems incapable of.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Blame the idiots that put the freaking cameras there. Trumps message is right on target.

No. You blame the idiot that was pandering to the cameras and didn't want to wait just a few minutes for them to leave. It's not like the cameras were present for the whole meeting.