Why Private Health Care doesn't work

[utvolpj]

One of these iambruce victories?

clearly iamgibbs is the smartest man in the room and we just can't grasp his concepts. We're all just cogs in the wheel

 

[volinbham]

:lolabove:

Driving sentiment for the dominant culture, yes.

Try as you might, Maestro, is as good a representative of the dominant culture one could put forward.

You have failed to win your argument. I have won mine. In VolNation terms that's GSM.

I suggest you reread the piece - Greenspan was never promoting greed as something virtuous. His words make clear he underestimated the role that greed could have in the system. As a result, he changed his views on regulation to reduce the risk of adverse greed effects.

Somehow you twisted that into him believing greed was a virtue.

 

[utgibbs]

One of these iambruce victories?

Dunno.

Just a utgibbs one this time.

I'm surprised at your original post actually. It was too easy to dismiss. I too would wish Obama to live up to expectations, but he simply has not.

 

[KB5252]

Easier to hold to account would be one.

The incentive for prevention, self-reliance, and education is another.

They are not the same types of organizations for a third.

But, most importantly, over 50 years of data from dozens of population sized models from the the real world bear it out.

LOTS of reasons, actually.

I need go no further than the first part in bold. This is total horse crap and there is now way an individual with normal brain function could believe otherwise.

 

[kptvol]

clearly iamgibbs is the smartest man in the room and we just can't grasp his concepts. We're all just cogs in the wheel

Cognation has a nice ring to it.

 

[utgibbs]

I suggest you reread the piece - Greenspan was never promoting greed as something virtuous. His words make clear he underestimated the role that greed could have in the system. As a result, he changed his views on regulation to reduce the risk of adverse greed effects.

Somehow you twisted that into him believing greed was a virtue.

Interesting how an article detailing how Greenspan confessed he was wrong about greed as virtue could be so misunderstood....

But, I get it. It proved my case, and disproved yours. Now I understand perfectly.

 

[justingroves]

It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know for sure, that just ain't so.

This is extremely funny considering your stance on Fulmer.

 

[volinbham]

I guess you missed all that "Greed is virtue" stuff in the article. Y'all are really stretched thin now. Reading "Atlas Shrugged" in manuscript. The very title of the article. Easy stuff to miss?

The argument has been comprehensively won.

show me where greenspan says greed is a virtue in that piece.

sounds like you believe capitalism = greed

 

[volnation2217]

Yeah Canada has it figured out. Blow your knee out, get on the waiting list. You wont get that repaired until it fits the healthcare budget. Could be days, weeks, or months. They will let you know.

Gibbs, if you had to deal with Medicare for just one day, you would have a better understanding of why the govt needs to leave healthcare alone.

I would also recommend that you look at BCBS new MVMT program. It's model is to build up the understanding of preventive methods and health education within our communities.

 

[bam15]

Dunno.

Just a utgibbs one this time.

I'm surprised at your original post actually. It was too easy to dismiss. I too would wish Obama to live up to expectations, but he simply has not.

I'm appalled.

I'm not advocating or dismissing the plan.

I just don't think your points are helping the advancement of a single-payer system.

 

[volinbham]

Interesting how an article detailing how Greenspan confessed he was wrong about greed as virtue could be so misunderstood....

But, I get it. It proved my case, and disproved yours. Now I understand perfectly.

wow, just wow.

 

[kptvol]

show me where greenspan says greed is a virtue in that piece.

sounds like you believe capitalism = greed

Get ready for a huge helping of no response.

 

[bam15]

Dunno.

Just a utgibbs one this time.

I'm surprised at your original post actually. It was too easy to dismiss. I too would wish Obama to live up to expectations, but he simply has not.

Just because I hold Keynesian sympathies doesn't signify that I'm in favor of a single-payer system.

 

[hndog609]

The argument has been comprehensively won.

Even aside from any pros or cons assigned to the arguments made by anyone your sheer hubris breathtaking.

 

[lawgator1]

The typical thread in this forum has a 0.0003 % chance of informing anyone of anything and a 0.000000000001% chance of changing someone's mind.

This thread will make those numbers look astronomically high.

 

[kptvol]

The typical thread in this forum has a 0.0003 % chance of informing anyone of anything and a 0.000000000001% chance of changing someone's mind.

This thread will make those numbers look astronomically high.

They can't all be the gems you provide.

 

[BeecherVol]

show me where greenspan says greed is a virtue in that piece.

sounds like you believe capitalism = greed

I don't think he believes that capitalism (or greed if he agrees) is bad.

As long as you can take the benefits/money away from those that use the ability to be productive.

If not, Im not sure how the government will fund this racket.

 

[utgibbs]

Get ready for a huge helping of no response.

Oh, I don't know. Ayn Rand acolyte - she only wrote a whole philosophy on the subject. Maybe y'all think selfishness does not equal greed?

:facepalm:

This is simply quibbling over what has been standard orthodoxy for 40 years, brilliantly encapsulated by Greenspan's late confessional.

 

[BeecherVol]

The typical thread in this forum has a 0.0003 % chance of informing anyone of anything and a 0.000000000001% chance of changing someone's mind.

This thread will make those numbers look astronomically high.

I agree, I posted in one yesterday that was extremely similar.

 

[droski]

blue shield is going to have to raise premiums 59% because of the new healthcare laws.

Blue Shield of California seeks rate hikes of as much as 59% for individuals - latimes.com

utgibs is a genius

 

[utgibbs]

Just because I hold Keynesian sympathies doesn't signify that I'm in favor of a single-payer system.

But you must admit the Obama plan is a crazy political mish-mash.

The simplicity and effectiveness of the single payer system cannot be denied, IMHO.

 

[utgibbs]

Even aside from any pros or cons assigned to the arguments made by anyone your sheer hubris breathtaking.

I do admit to being a little Jim Rome on this board.

However, regarding single-payer health care, the data is in and it is unambiguous.

 

[bam15]

But you must admit the Obama plan is a crazy political mish-mash.

The simplicity and effectiveness of the single payer system cannot be denied, IMHO.

It might be a crazy political mish-mash, but it is the closest thing to your proposal that will ever be passed.

 

[hndog609]

But you must admit the Obama plan is a crazy political mish-mash.

The simplicity and effectiveness of the single payer system cannot be denied, IMHO.

You do realize that the H in IMHO is generally taken to stand for "humble", right?

 

[KB5252]

But you must admit the Obama plan is a crazy political mish-mash.

The simplicity and effectiveness of the single payer system cannot be denied, IMHO.

If you could show me one example of something as large and widespread as SPHCS being run by the government while exhibiting the qualities of simplicity and effectiveness you would have my full attention.