Why Private Health Care doesn't work

#176
#176
Ed12111 said:
I would hope most people want healthcare to be available to the highest number of people, at the lowest price possible, and with the best care given. The questions should be how heavily we weigh the three options, and what system best achieves the goal. Unfortunately, it is easier to scream about how the gubmint ruins everything and other bumper sticker slogans than to have an actual discussion.
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the best care is here. right now. there is a good reason for that.
 
#177
#177
fl0at said:
There are facts to support a privatized system as well, specifically autonomy of the physician. Simply because opinion does not follow another's opinion does not mean the discussion is irrational.

My main concern with a public system is simply this: physician autonomy. Period.

Governmental regulation, influence, policy and what have you limit a physician's autonomy, which is philosophically invalid.

There is much more to health care than availability, afford-ability and standard of care.
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I wasn't talking about you Float. You and IPorange are two of the only posters I respect even though I may disagree. You weigh physician's autonomy much more heavily(compared to the other issues) than the average person. Of course, if you weigh physician autonomy extremely heavily and the amount of people covered very lowly, you could make a case for a private system.
 
#182
#182
BearCat204 said:
Pick up any book or article on the subject
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Oh, ok then. Could you guys at least make an attempt to come up with something? We are the best and No really, we are the best it's in every book aren't the best arguments. Especially since the case is so apparent.
 
#183
#183
utgibbs said:
I think I understand the disconnect. Actually Lexvol brought it up, and he has been noble in his posting.

Greed in people has not changed, but it has been regarded as a virtue for the last 40 years. The article has the very phrase in the title because it is received wisdom of the last 40 years. The article actually starts from the perspective that everyone already knows this.

The quote volinbham has reposted is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Greed HAS NOT changed, but how we regard greed HAS. And this is exactly why we have more avenues to express it. This is EXACTLY what it means to change greed from a vice to a virtue. Greed does not change, but the ways in which we can act upon it have in very big ways.

This is exactly why it was so important to stress Greed as a virtue rather than greed itself.
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It has always been a virtue, only frowned upon by those with the inability to act on their greedy nature.
 
#184
#184
Ed12111 said:
Oh, ok then. Could you guys at least make an attempt to come up with something? We are the best and No really, we are the best it's in every book aren't the best arguments. Especially since the case is so apparent.
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Ask anyone who has used the healthcare of pretty much any country outside of the US.
 
#187
#187
Ed12111 said:
Considering most wealthy countries vote for public healthcare, I don't see your point as being the least bit true.
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Ok, lets play this game. You gotta link that says anything different than what Droski has said? Have you ever been to Canada?
 
#196
#196
Ed12111 said:
Considering most wealthy countries vote for public healthcare, I don't see your point as being the least bit true.
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And they riot in the streets when they're being taxed to death and workers pay is being cut to make up for the budget shortfalls in large part caused by public health care.
 
#198
#198
KB5252 said:
And they riot in the streets when they're being taxed to death and workers pay is being cut to make up for the budget shortfalls in large part caused by public health care.
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that and the janitors in teh country being paid eds "living wage."
 
#199
#199
BearCat204 said:
no, that the best healthcare is here in the US
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Sure there are any numbers of figures you can look at. Do we have the least amount of people without healthcare? Not even close. Is our healthcare the cheapest? Nope. Are our health figures in things like infant mortality or average lifespan the best? No, not even close.There are other issues that affect those things, but to claim that we have the best healthcare(especially the unquestionably best) is absurd given the facts. Not to mention, we are unquestionably the wealthiest country in the world.
 
#200
#200
droski said:
show me a single example of a large govt entitlement program in any country getting voted out once it's already in existance. i'm waiting.
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I'm guessing that even getting it back on a ballot would be a pretty difficult task
 
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