Why Private Health Care doesn't work

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#201
KB5252 said:
And they riot in the streets when they're being taxed to death and workers pay is being cut to make up for the budget shortfalls in large part caused by public health care.
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Yes. Every country with a public system is a literal ****-hole. War-zones really.
 
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#204
Should we include other countries in our healthcare plan? Would it be greedy or thoughtless if we did not allow the unfortunate to partake?
 
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#206
utvolpj said:
I'm guessing that even getting it back on a ballot would be a pretty difficult task
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Other than that it supports your point, why? It's absurd why would direct democracies have the slightest bit of trouble getting rid of a public system. The answer is they don't. The public system is extremely popular and if you looked at public opinion polls they don't support your claim at all.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Other than that it supports your point, why? It's absurd why would direct democracies have the slightest bit of trouble getting rid of a public system. The answer is they don't. The public system is extremely popular and if you looked at public opinion polls they don't support your claim at all.
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a couple week delay in the tax rate vote caused massive issues for the IRS here. To think it's a easy as a vote to roll back a HC system is ridiculous.

and I bet if you offered a similar poll many would also say that their HC is free. Doesn't mean they're right
 
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#210
I think there is a basic matter of trust that is out in front of whatever deeper argument, pro or con, one wishes to make about governmental health care. Our government ended fiscal year 2010 1.294 trillion dollars in the red. Look, even if a person DID like the idea of a single payer system there's a whole hell of a lot of people that aren't the least bit interested in handing over their health care to what we currently know as our federal government. I'm as pro 2A a guy as you're likely to meet but I'm not the least bit down with the idea that we should, I don't know, be lobbing weapons into the cells of prisons and psych wards. While we're at it most would call you crazy to loan a bunch of money to a guy with an out of control gambling habit. It doesn't exactly take a diehard Glenn Beckophile to look toward Washington and question if these are the people you want running your healthcare.

On a related matter does anyone know what the tort situation looks like under a single payer system?
 
#211
#211
utvolpj said:
a couple week delay in the tax rate vote caused massive issues for the IRS here. To think it's a easy as a vote to roll back a HC system is ridiculous.

and I bet if you offered a similar poll many would also say that their HC is free
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Ok. The fact is it can be done, but they don't want to. To claim otherwise is factually incorrect.
 
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utvolpj said:
sure the possibility exists but the work it would take makes it almost impossible.
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I don't see how you could possibly say that. Of course, nobody actually wants to go away from a public option once they have it, so I really can't see your guys point.
 
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#218
Ed12111 said:
I don't see how you could possibly say that. Of course, nobody actually wants to go away from a public option once they have it, so I really can't see your guys point.
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well then just imagine handing 1/6 of the US economy over to the gov't and then trying to get it back 5 years later. Sound easy and fun?
 
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#221
QUOTE=BeecherVol;4538428]Is this the "honest discussion" you referred to earlier?

I asked a legit question, do you not care to answer it?[/QUOTE]

On this issue? I think I've made it pretty clear where I stand. I think it's repugnant that a nation with a GDP of over 14 trillion dollars has millions of people who go without health-care. If this were a couple hundred years ago, I'd probably be making the same argument for education.
 
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#222
Ed12111 said:
Google public opinion on health care or public option in various countries(that have them).
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none of these countries had the US access to cutting edge technologies before going to universal healthcare. in most of these countries no one has ever lived without it. i.e. they don't know any better.
 
#223
#223
Ed12111 said:
On this issue? I think I've made it pretty clear where I stand. I think it's repugnant that a nation with a GDP of over 14 trillion dollars has millions of people who go without health-care. If this were a couple hundred years ago, I'd probably be making the same argument for education.
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Yes.

I was referring to the one below.

BeecherVol said:
Should we include other countries in our healthcare plan? Would it be greedy or thoughtless if we did not allow the unfortunate to partake?
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#224
Ed12111 said:
QUOTE=BeecherVol;4538428]Is this the "honest discussion" you referred to earlier?

I asked a legit question, do you not care to answer it?
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On this issue? I think I've made it pretty clear where I stand. I think it's repugnant that a nation with a GDP of over 14 trillion dollars has millions of people who go without health-care. If this were a couple hundred years ago, I'd probably be making the same argument for education.[/QUOTE]

I would be willing to bet that out of those "millions", more than a substantial percent have cell phone, cable, and other luxuries. But hey its a great idea to get free health care as long as someone else is paying for it.
 
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#225
droski said:
none of these countries had the US access to cutting edge technologies before going to universal healthcare. in most of these countries no one has ever lived without it. i.e. they don't know any better.
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So that's what it's come down to? The poor backwards saps of Sweden, United Kingdom, New Zealand, Australia, Canada..... don't know any better. That's taking American exceptionalism to a whole nother level.
 
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