Why Reality Blows Up Anti-Abortion Rhetoric

#101
#101
utvolpj said:
Again, I'm in favor of the individual making their own decision. I know there are people making very informed decisions. It's convenient but unfair to try and lump them all together
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That’s a sick view.

If a mother were to abort a kid at 9 months, or if the same child were born at 8 and then the mother were to drown him, why do you believe the government should only involve itself in one of those two situations?
 
#103
#103
  • Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon, and represent 1% of all abortions in the US. Typically, these procedures cost well over $1,000, excluding the cost of travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days, and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.
  • Reasons individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy include medical concerns such as fetal anomalies or maternal life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion.
  • Roe v. Wade made the concept of viability critical to the regulation of abortion, particularly when it comes to abortions later in pregnancy. Viability is not set at a specific date in the pregnancy, rather multiple factors play into the determination of viability, including gestational age, fetal weight and sex, and medical interventions available.
  • Many states have passed a range of laws that restrict access to abortions later in pregnancy, by either placing gestational age limits on abortion and/or by banning clinicians from performing certain procedures.
 
#105
#105
AshG said:
People: Bans don't do any good. It hasn't worked with drugs, it has never worked with guns. They're a waste of time and clog up the works.

Same people: Ban abortion! Extremely limited or no exceptions! This ban will be different!
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100% agree.
 
#109
#109
AshG said:
  • Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon, and represent 1% of all abortions in the US. Typically, these procedures cost well over $1,000, excluding the cost of travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days, and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.
  • Reasons individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy include medical concerns such as fetal anomalies or maternal life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion.
  • Roe v. Wade made the concept of viability critical to the regulation of abortion, particularly when it comes to abortions later in pregnancy. Viability is not set at a specific date in the pregnancy, rather multiple factors play into the determination of viability, including gestational age, fetal weight and sex, and medical interventions available.
  • Many states have passed a range of laws that restrict access to abortions later in pregnancy, by either placing gestational age limits on abortion and/or by banning clinicians from performing certain procedures.
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What’s your source here?
 
#117
#117
AshG said:
20 weeks is not 32-40 weeks. Your comment specifically targeted that time frame. That time period is what I am asking you to provide.
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If you’re aware of any data on that feel free to share. But obviously after 20 weeks the data would also include those ranges and yet still medical necessity didn’t make the list.
 
#118
#118
Vol8188 said:
If you’re aware of any data on that feel free to share. But obviously after 20 weeks the data would also include those ranges and yet still medical necessity didn’t make the list.
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Your logical fallacy scorecard is starting to fill up.
 
#120
#120
AshG said:
Your logical fallacy scorecard is starting to fill up.
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What about that was a logical fallacy? After 20 weeks includes 30 weeks and anytime up until birth. Yet, medical necessity doesn’t make the list. Do you have any data that says otherwise?
 
#121
#121
Vol8188 said:
I still find it sick you support abortion at 9 months.
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It's clear you've uncovered my sinister beliefs with your keen questioning. Well done

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#122
#122
Vol8188 said:
Would be valid if I were claiming hitting your spouse is a private matter.

So tell me, do you believe an elective abortion at 9 months is okay?
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You have a specific answer you want and you're using questions and replies to steer in that direction. Not going to play that game.

Either find me detailed data focused specifically on 32-40 week elective abortion or admit that you're pulling this out of your nose and can't back it up with anything but feelings, guesses, and scant anecdotal information.
 
#123
#123
utvolpj said:
It's clear you've uncovered my sinister beliefs with your keen questioning. Well done

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Are you denying it? When you proclaim laws shouldn’t regulate abortion are you not saying anything is fair game?

If I’m misrepresenting please let me know?
 
#124
#124
Vol8188 said:
Are you denying it? When you proclaim laws shouldn’t regulate abortion are you not saying anything is fair game?

If I’m misrepresenting please let me know?
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I answered it a long time ago. You are trying to tie others choice into my approval. This is a stupid game
 
#125
#125
AshG said:
You have a specific answer you want and you're using questions and replies to steer in that direction. Not going to play that game.

Either find me detailed data focused specifically on 32-40 week elective abortion or admit that you're pulling this out of your nose and can't back it up with anything but feelings, guesses, and scant anecdotal information.
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I’ve backed up every claim I’ve made. Later abortions are primarily done electively like all abortions. You set the range at 32-40 weeks and requested data that doesn’t exist. That’s not a fallacy on my part.

But here’s the real question, do you even care what the data says? If it’s 99.9% elective at 36 months would that change your mind and support late term abortion restrictions?
 
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