Why Reality Blows Up Anti-Abortion Rhetoric

[Vol8188]

I answered it a long time ago. You are trying to tie others choice into my approval. This is a stupid game

It’s not dumb at all. If you were to support legalizing murder you’d be supporting the notion that you should be allowed to kill others without any legal repercussions.

Is that not what you believe in regards to abortion? That for any reason, no matter how late term, it should be allowed?

If so, that’s sick.

 

[McDad]

I’ve backed up every claim I’ve made. Later abortions are primarily done electively like all abortions. You set the range at 32-40 weeks and requested data that doesn’t exist. That’s not a fallacy on my part.

But here’s the real question, do you even care what the data says? If it’s 99.9% elective at 36 months would that change your mind and support late term abortion restrictions?

I've been around some 3 year olds I thought needed to be aborted at 36 months.

 

[utvolpj]

It’s not dumb at all. If you were to support legalizing murder you’d be supporting the notion that you should be allowed to kill others without any legal repercussions.

Is that not what you believe in regards to abortion? That for any reason, no matter how late term, it should be allowed?

If so, that’s sick.

I've stated multiple times i don't support abortion. I've stated multiple times I don't consider it murder. Trying to ascribe beliefs to me in order to bolster your argument won't work. My posts are here

 

[Caculator]

” Does a mother have a right to ingest drugs and harm a pre-viable baby? Can the state bring child neglect charges against the mother? “

 

[Vol8188]

I've stated multiple times i don't support abortion. I've stated multiple times I don't consider it murder. Trying to ascribe beliefs to me in order to bolster your argument won't work. My posts are here

I’m not trying to ascribe anything to you. Just own it though.

You believe legally that at 9 months an abortion should be able to be performed for any reason? Is that not your stance?

 

[Vol8188]

Does anyone remember when the left at least pretended some limits to abortion should exist?

 

[MontyPython]

OP's premise is flawed because there is a difference between an inalienable right granted by our Creator, LIfe, for instance, and the rights granted by our government, like a SS#.

Rights from Government are conditional. They are not necessarily applied equally to everyone. Children don't have the right to drive, vote, or serve in war. Their rights are limited. They aren't in full possession of their autonomy. They do have a right to life, however. The former poster, TRUT, made this point years ago and it holds true today. OP is equating those conditional right from government, full possession of autonomy, and rights from the Creator and they are not always equatable.

My point seems pretty clear: If we're going to assign a "right to life" for an unborn fetus because that fetus is a "human being", then all the rights of being a human being (here in America at least) shall equally apply. One cannot disassociate inherent rights.

If people are good with the craziness that results, so be it.

 

[AshG]

” Does a mother have a right to ingest drugs and harm a pre-viable baby? Can the state bring child neglect charges against the mother? “

Can the state prove the mother had knowledge that she was pregnant at that point? Many women do not know they are pregnant until close to the time the fetal electrical pulse is observable.

 

[AshG]

Does anyone remember when the left at least pretended some limits to abortion should exist?

You've been completely disengenuous in this conversation.

 

[Vol8188]

Can the state prove the mother had knowledge that she was pregnant at that point? Many women do not know they are pregnant until close to the time the fetal electrical pulse is observable.

If you say you’re okay with charging her of that, you’d have to argue against abortion.

It’s inconsistent to say you can abortion kids if you used drugs without any legal action against you (one of the top reasons for later abortions) but that it’s illegal to allow the kid to be born

 

[McDad]

My point seems pretty clear: If we're going to assign a "right to life" for an unborn fetus because that fetus is a "human being", then all the rights of being a human being (here in America at least) shall equally apply. One cannot disassociate inherent rights.

If people are good with the craziness that results, so be it.

Problem is the rights you ascribed arent universal in this country.

 

[Vol8188]

You've been completely disengenuous in this conversation.

Regarding what?

 

[Caculator]

Can the state prove the mother had knowledge that she was pregnant at that point? Many women do not know they are pregnant until close to the time the fetal electrical pulse is observable.

Ignorance

Can the state prove the mother had knowledge that she was pregnant at that point? Many women do not know they are pregnant until close to the time the fetal electrical pulse is observable.

Deflection

Does she have the right or no

 

[Vol8188]

My point seems pretty clear: If we're going to assign a "right to life" for an unborn fetus because that fetus is a "human being", then all the rights of being a human being (here in America at least) shall equally apply. One cannot disassociate inherent rights.

If people are good with the craziness that results, so be it.

So you’re okay with an elective abortion at 9 months because the kid doesn’t yet have a social?

 

[MontyPython]

That’s a big problem on the left. The insane view that rights are just gifts from government. If you believe that, you have to accept the Holocaust, slavery, etc are all acceptable because none of those people had rights as determined by their government

Non Sequitur.

The right to an abortion IS of course a right granted by the government.

 

[AshG]

Ignorance


Deflection

Does she have the right or no

Not playing that game with you.

 

[utvolpj]

I’m not trying to ascribe anything to you. Just own it though.

You believe legally that at 9 months an abortion should be able to be performed for any reason? Is that not your stance?

Are you on favor of banning all guns? If not, you're in favor of murder. Just own it

 

[Vol8188]

Non Sequitur.

The right to an abortion IS of course a right granted by the government.

But not always. So your stance is that abortion used to be bad and now it’s not? Does legality determine if abortion is a positive or negative to you?

 

[Vol8188]

Are you on favor of banning all guns? If not, you're in favor of murder. Just own it

These are two separate things. No I’m not in favor of banning all guns, and I support murder laws. See I can answer.

Can you? Are you in favor of legally allowing 9 month elective abortions?

Seems like a simple question

 

[AshG]

These are two separate things. No I’m not in favor of banning all guns, and I support murder laws. See I can answer.

Can you? Are you in favor of legally allowing 9 month elective abortions?

Seems like a simple question

Thoroughly define "elective"

 

[utvolpj]

These are two separate things. No I’m not in favor of banning all guns, and I support murder laws. See I can answer.

Can you? Are you in favor of legally allowing 9 month elective abortions?

Seems like a simple question

Guns are still used for murder. If you support guns you support murder. Own it

I've answered your question many times. This discussion is going nowhere of you can acknowledge that

 

[Vol8188]

Thoroughly define "elective"

The point is do you believe in limitations on abortions. So elective means any reason at all. Are you okay with an abortion at 9 months for any reason at all?

 

[Vol8188]

Guns are still used for murder. If you support guns you support murder. Own it

I've answered your question many times. This discussion is going nowhere of you can acknowledge that

How can you think this is the same argument? And why do you refuse to answer?

Do you believe elective abortions at 9 months should be legal?

I’m not attempting to falsely claim anything about your view. Just asking you to clarify

 

[AshG]

The point is do you believe in limitations on abortions. So elective means any reason at all. Are you okay with an abortion at 9 months for any reason at all?

I'm not answering until you nail down exactly what you mean by elective.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm not answering until you nail down exactly what you mean by elective.

Any reason at all. That’s elective. As opposed to medically necessary. He stated he didn’t believe abortion should be up to him because he shouldn’t force his views on others.

So if you hold to that notion, you would have to say an abortion at 9 months should be legal for any reason. Otherwise you’re forcing your views on others