Why Reality Blows Up Anti-Abortion Rhetoric

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85SugarVol said:
Oh I wasn’t referring to the constitutional differences in 2A and Abortion.

The mindset of both camps is almost identical.
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I’ll agree on the usage of the term mindset. Both are dug in. But only one group speaks from a factual position of a protected right I’d submit.
 
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utvolpj said:
Your claiming there's only want it banned or believe it should happen. That's a false choice
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I'm presenting no false choice. My own stance is not in favor of an outright ban on all abortions. Idk if I've ever seen someone be as dishonest as you are right now.

You're saying you don't support forcing your views on women. If that's the case then you would have to say you're okay with it being legal for a woman to abort a heathy child at 9 months without any real reason. To argue against that would be to "force your views on women".

That's not a false choice. That's the obvious choice here. Either you regulate it or you allow everything.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm presenting no false choice. My own stance is not in favor of an outright ban on all abortions. Idk if I've ever seen someone be as dishonest as you are right now.

You're saying you don't support forcing your views on women. If that's the case then you would have to say you're okay with it being legal for a woman to abort a heathy child at 9 months without any real reason. To argue against that would be to "force your views on women".

That's not a false choice. That's the obvious choice here. Either you regulate it or you allow everything.
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incorrect since I can be and am against both. What someone else does isn't me condoning the action
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you okay with viable kids being aborted? If so, why?
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utvolpj said:
No but I'm also not going to make that choice for anyone else. I'm not going to force my personal beliefs on someone else
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Vol8188 said:
About murder? You believe it’s wrong to force your personal beliefs about murder onto people?

We both agree the fetus is viable. It has a heartbeat. And you terminate that?

what you’re saying is we shouldn’t as a society ban murder because it’s a personal belief that shouldn’t be forced on others? That’s absurd
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Idk if I've ever seen something as dishonest as how you just took what I said out of context to falsely claim I was saying 6 weeks is viable. That message started with me asking you about a viable child. Not a 6 week old child. I then said if a viable child has their heartbeat terminated that it is an act of murder.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Idk if I've ever seen something as dishonest as how you just took what I said out of context to falsely claim I was saying 6 weeks is viable. That message started with me asking you about a viable child. Not a 6 week old child. I then said if a viable child has their heartbeat terminated that it is an act of murder.
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This was the exact discussion. Where is the dishonesty? You posted it

utvolpj said:
No, we don't agree that a 6wk fetus is viable. I'm not sure anyone does.
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Vol8188 said:
We can disagree about six weeks
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utvolpj said:
incorrect since I can be and am against both. What someone else does isn't me condoning the action
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I'm not proclaiming you condone the action. But you do condone the actions legality. That's why it's not a false choice. You either chose to regulate it in some way, or you accept that 9 month abortions will occur legally. You've been running from that for over an hour now. It's dishonest and disgusting, really.

At least own it.
 
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I see locked horns on the debate for eternity. Personally I say ban abortion except for the women that want to take the "next day" pill or women that have a compelling reason due to a major genetic defect, which opens up another can of worms.
 
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utvolpj said:
This was the exact discussion. Where is the dishonesty? You posted it
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The selective editing for one. I stated we disagreed on 6 weeks (meaning where the line should be drawn) but that you had to admit at some point it crosses the line and becomes murder. And then I asked where is that line?
 
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VolStrom said:
I see locked horns on the debate for eternity. Personally I say ban abortion except for the women that want to take the "next day" pill or women that have a compelling reason due to a major genetic defect, which opens up another can of worms.
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If PJ were capable of honesty it wouldn’t take that long
 
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Vol8188 said:
The selective editing for one. I stated we disagreed on 6 weeks (meaning where the line should be drawn) but that you had to admit at some point it crosses the line and becomes murder. And then I asked where is that line?
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What? I posted your exact quotes. Goodnight and have fun. Your game is boring
 
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85SugarVol said:
Oh I’m not arguing that, nor am I looking to go down that rabbit hole 😖
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Lol I know you’re not. I believe you’re merely pointing to the passionate defense of these stances by their supporters. Hogg and I are just dangling the stink bait on why only one of them is right but you ain’t biting 😎
 
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VolStrom said:
I see locked horns on the debate for eternity. Personally I say ban abortion except for the women that want to take the "next day" pill or women that have a compelling reason due to a major genetic defect, which opens up another can of worms.
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What if we let the States decide what was reasonable? We might end up with an entire range of solutions.

Wonder if that would work? Nah….
 
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85SugarVol said:
Those that fervently believe in the 2A and our constitutional right to bear arms (of which I am one), will never, ever, ever give an inch to those that would seek to restrict gun rights.

The 2A folks know, rightly, that the “other side” has no intention of stopping. Ever.

It’s a similar dynamic with Pro-Choice. The reason they won’t come out and denounce “9 month abortion”. They can’t accept any restriction, at all. They know, rightly, that the “other side” has no intention of stopping. Ever.
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Gotcha.
 
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VolStrom said:
I see locked horns on the debate for eternity. Personally I say ban abortion except for the women that want to take the "next day" pill or women that have a compelling reason due to a major genetic defect, which opens up another can of worms.
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As much as abhor the practice I don’t want to see it banned completely even as a method of BC.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Those that fervently believe in the 2A and our constitutional right to bear arms (of which I am one), will never, ever, ever give an inch to those that would seek to restrict gun rights.

The 2A folks know, rightly, that the “other side” has no intention of stopping. Ever.

It’s a similar dynamic with Pro-Choice. The reason they won’t come out and denounce “9 month abortion”. They can’t accept any restriction, at all. They know, rightly, that the “other side” has no intention of stopping. Ever.
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Nice observation. It’s insane to say that don’t want to force your views on others and refuse to admit you just condoned it being legal to have an abortion at 9 months for any reason.
 
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hog88 said:
As much as abhor the practice I don’t want to see it banned completely even as a method of BC.
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Agreed. I’m willing to accept anything from 6-12 weeks but I think 6 is the most reasonable given how we define life.

Although a solid argument can also be made at conception based on the definition of life
 
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McDad said:
We have as a society also agreed to give government the authority to make laws which are limiting to our rights.
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Thus proving that society, on the whole, is rather ignorant and appears comfortable remaining so.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed. I’m willing to accept anything from 6-12 weeks but I think 6 is the most reasonable given how we define life.

Although a solid argument can also be made at conception based on the definition of life
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Preferably we as a people would make abortion the least desirable option for unwanted pregnancies, hell let women sell the child if need be. I know that sounds horrible But IMO it’s better than killing the baby.
 
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VolStrom said:
The bottom line to the abortion rights side is that it's a form of birth control, and probably 95% of all abortions are because someone got pregnant when they didn't want to.
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I don’t know about your percentage but it does seem that a very large amount of abortions are being used as birth control which is nuts since birth control and the morning after pill are so readily available.

It’s gone from initially being about safe, rare and legal to don’t you dare tell me what to do.
My opinion is that it’s become a warped virtue signal of personal power for many women, the ultimate of all control, the control over life and death.
 
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