"Wikileaks" to unveil it's "biggest leak yet"

#176
#176
gsvol said:
Most informative article I've read on this topic.

Pretty long but worth the read.

American Thinker: WikiLeaks, Stuxnet, Cyberwar, and Obama
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:loco:

I stopped reading when I got to this point... as if the author knows Julian Assange himself.

He is a would-be Alexander, intent on bending the world to his will, with little concern who gets hurt while he's doing it. He sees himself as a mythic figure, above and beyond the run of normal humanity, a man with a historical mission.
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#177
#177
This is the one issue that justs bothers me.

It's too easy to see Assange as just serving the "other" agenda, other in this case being foreign interests opposed to ours, though who benefits directly from this kind of leak isn't entirely clear.

The case in favor Assange is that he's an equal opportunity leaker (perhaps, a poor choice of words). He's exposed hypocrisy in the Catholic church, tyrants in africa, I'm pretty sure I even remember leaked documents on the Duke Lacrosse scandal a few years back. It's clear that he's not just after the U.S., but just trying enhance the quality of information available to the public, which, hopefully everyone admits, is necessary for the functioning of republican form of government.

The gsvol response to that would, of course, be, yes, but all of the leaks are counter to our interests, perpetrated by the islamo-fascists/communists/nazis in no particular order, in order to undermine our efforts to improve the world. (then showing this to all be a result of Obama who works for bin-Laden who spreads the philosophy of Mohammed which was ultimately inspired by Satan back in the garden of eden, not to put to fine a point on the intellectual vagaries present in most of his sources).

Of course, this line of thought is vulnerable to the critique that questioning our methods isn't tantamount to questioning our ideology in quite the way the paranoid right seems to want to paint it.

And I think that's where I get stuck. I have no idea where to draw the line, because I know that the people have an absolute right to know about and question the decisions being made on their behalf by the leadership they've voted for, but on the flip side there does need to be a means of acting without public scrutiny. It's safe to say that I wish that there was more openness than there is, but maybe not this much.

Another question I'm asking is how much real damage will this do? It seems like most of the stuff that has come out was for the most part already known or character commentary stuff that won't really have any ling term effects, or at least, so it seems to me.
 
#178
#178
jvol1 said:
This is the one issue that justs bothers me.

It's too easy to see Assange as just serving the "other" agenda, other in this case being foreign interests opposed to ours, though who benefits directly from this kind of leak isn't entirely clear.

The case in favor Assange is that he's an equal opportunity leaker (perhaps, a poor choice of words). He's exposed hypocrisy in the Catholic church, tyrants in africa, I'm pretty sure I even remember leaked documents on the Duke Lacrosse scandal a few years back. It's clear that he's not just after the U.S., but just trying enhance the quality of information available to the public, which, hopefully everyone admits, is necessary for the functioning of republican form of government.

The gsvol response to that would, of course, be, yes, but all of the leaks are counter to our interests, perpetrated by the islamo-fascists/communists/nazis in no particular order, in order to undermine our efforts to improve the world. (then showing this to all be a result of Obama who works for bin-Laden who spreads the philosophy of Mohammed which was ultimately inspired by Satan back in the garden of eden, not to put to fine a point on the intellectual vagaries present in most of his sources).

Of course, this line of thought is vulnerable to the critique that questioning our methods isn't tantamount to questioning our ideology in quite the way the paranoid right seems to want to paint it.

And I think that's where I get stuck. I have no idea where to draw the line, because I know that the people have an absolute right to know about and question the decisions being made on their behalf by the leadership they've voted for, but on the flip side there does need to be a means of acting without public scrutiny. It's safe to say that I wish that there was more openness than there is, but maybe not this much.

Another question I'm asking is how much real damage will this do? It seems like most of the stuff that has come out was for the most part already known or character commentary stuff that won't really have any ling term effects, or at least, so it seems to me.
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Good summary.

I'm all for transparency. Total transparency? I don't know.

There have been just over 1,000 cables of 250,000+. That's .5%. There is a lot yet to come out.

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Assange tried to contact the US gov't before the cables began leaking to censor names of spies and stuff. The US turned him away. Blame the US and the people that wrote the cables, not the messenger.

Also, PFC Manning, the guy that originally sent Assange the cables isn't be tried for treason (yet). Interesting that the US wants to find a way to charge Assange with espionage, but not Manning for treason.
 
#180
#180
MG1968 said:
Manning is a homosexual. If the FedGov throws the book at him there's going to be hell to pay from the LGBT community.
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Agreed. He'll be sentenced to 50 years and serve 10.

I saw the bombing on Reddit this afternoon. Horrible. Que gsvol and a comment along the lines of "this is what happens when you allow moslems into your country." Stockholm is probably my favorite city in the entire world.
 
#181
#181
VOLatile said:
:loco:

I stopped reading when I got to this point... as if the author knows Julian Assange himself.
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Thanks for demonstrating why you are so ignorant on so many topics, ie; 'if it doesn't fit your mindset then you don't consider it.'





VOLatile said:
Agreed. He'll be sentenced to 50 years and serve 10.

I saw the bombing on Reddit this afternoon. Horrible. Que gsvol and a comment along the lines of "this is what happens when you allow moslems into your country." Stockholm is probably my favorite city in the entire world.
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#182
#182
gsvol said:
Thanks for demonstrating why you are so ignorant on so many topics, ie; 'if it doesn't fit your mindset then you don't consider it.'
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Of course I'm going to stop if it's obvious right wing BS.


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The war crimes of US being exposed by Julian Assange must not go unpunished.
 
#184
#184
VOLatile said:
Of course I'm going to stop if it's obvious right wing BS.


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The war crimes of US being exposed by Julian Assange must not go unpunished.
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Julian Assange is a punk, so are his supporters. :hi:
 
#185
#185
gsvol said:
Julian Assange is a punk, so are his supporters. :hi:
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America was caught with its pants down and instead of picking them up they now start pissing at everyone who has seen their junk.

Call me what you will, but we obviously value things very differently.
 
#186
#186
VOLatile said:
America was caught with its pants down and instead of picking them up they now start pissing at everyone who has seen their junk.

Call me what you will, but we obviously value things very differently.
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No kidding.
 
#187
#187
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Someone tried to minimize the islamo/fascist
terrorist war on America as it concerns electronic
means, particularly the Assange leaks, let me assure
you that you are dead wrong, even if you had said
the same thing fifteen years ago.

How current is this??

Breaking news: Invaders suffer deadly losses in Martyrdom attack, outpost completely destroyed

The article (linked to on WaPo) even has a
Facebook F-share link.

If you think that all 250,000 compromised cables
(even though they are mostly low level) won't be
filtered through to look for our weaknesses that
can be exploited and for items that can be used
to incite anger in moslem communities, then in
football terms, you are fourth and edelusional.

In many European cities they have what are
called moslem 'satelite cities' because there are
so many dishes that are aligned to receive
al-jazeera TV and other moslem propaganda
sites.

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#188
#188
Bush White House lawyer: Prosecution will make ‘martyr’ of Assange | Raw Story

Whatever one thinks of what Assange is doing, the flailing US government reaction has been self-defeating. It cannot stop the publication of the documents that have already leaked out, and it should stop trying, for doing so makes the United States look very weak and gives the documents a greater significance than they deserve. It is also weak and pointless to prevent US officials from viewing the WikiLeaks documents that the rest of the world can easily see.
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#189
#189
VOLatile said:
America was caught with its pants down and instead of picking them up they now start pissing at everyone who has seen their junk.

Call me what you will, but we obviously value things very differently.
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did you go in on that $20k from Michael Moore and company for Assange's bail?
 
#192
#192
kev20 said:
of course you are. :)
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Even though it would put a huge dent in his allowance, what self-sacrifice!!

Merry Christmas Kev, love your Santa's helper!

BTW, Moore opposes the GZ mosque two blocks from ground zero, he thinks it should be ON GROUND ZERO.

I've always been skeptical about alien abductions but the evidence just keeps piling up. :salute:
 
#195
#195
what's with the flies and big ears? I understand the art of caricature, but I fail to see the caricature here.
 
#197
#197
You'll have to ask gs the question in the form of a picture, that's the only language he speaks.
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#200
#200
VOLatile said:
You'll have to ask gs the question in the form of a picture, that's the only language he speaks.
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At one time I was conversant in 75 languages, my ultimate hero in that category was Mario Pei who spoke 175 languages fluently and had a workable knowlege of even the most remote of other languages.

If you want to see someone who is patently limited, look in the mirror.
 
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