Will Tennessee ever return to national contender status?

[Majors]

So you are saying the LV players do not get an annual stipend from any UT collective at all, or that it is less?

Are you saying they all get 25K

 

[Rooster1]

Are you saying they all get 25K

I’m saying it was made public knowledge by SC that their collective had agreed to pay SC WBB players $25k/year when it began. And I’m also asking if you know whether UT has a collective that does or does not pay their WBB players anything? Also, do you know if UT payed RJ or JS any money to come to UT? Because when you start implying it’s all about $, then please detail these things so we understand your position better.

 

[Majors]

I’m saying it was made public knowledge by SC that their collective had agreed to pay SC WBB players $25/year when it began. I’m asking if you know whether UT has a collective that does or does not pay their WBB players anything?

They do not that I’m aware of under the collective they have in place. If they are it’s a far cry from 25K

 

[Rooster1]

They do not that I’m aware of under the collective they have in place. If they are it’s a far cry from 25K

If that is/were true, which nobody seems to know for sure, what would be your beef? That some schools have made the efforts to put something like that in place or that your fav school has not done so yet (according to you). I have read about the $ UT collectives have spent on the FB program, and though it is a diff sport, it shows that UT has wealth opportunities well beyond anything little ole SC can match. So maybe your beef is with your collectives and how much they dole out to the LV program.

 

[Majors]

If that is/were true, which nobody seems to know for sure, what would be your beef? That some schools have made the efforts to put something like that in place or that your fav school has not done so yet (according to you). I have read about the $ UT collectives have spent on the FB program, and though it is a diff sport, it shows that UT has wealth opportunities well beyond anything little ole SC can match. So maybe your beef is with your collectives and how much they dole out to the LV program.

“SC does not have more NIL/Booster funds than UT in all likelihood. SC is on the low end tbh.” Rooster

Who said I had a beef? I just asked is this still you, presenting the 25K to the women’s basketball team on a Tennessee board.

 

[Rooster1]

“SC does not have more NIL/Booster funds than UT in all likelihood. SC is on the low end tbh.” Rooster

Who said I had a beef? I just asked is this still you, presenting the 25K to the women’s basketball team on a Tennessee board.

Yeah, it’s me. If you took the time to do some reading comprehension you would have noted I stated SC does not have the same booster funds available comparable to UT. Witness the difference in FB booster $ spent. The fact that SC‘s collective carved out $25k per WBB player was a decision they made but in no way is reflective of the overall wealth within each booster club. UT is far wealthier in that respect than SC.

If you want to get real technical, the booster club paying the WBB players at SC was set up separately from the others through the hard work and marketing efforts of CDS from the very beginning of the NIL rulings. Maybe every coaching staff should have put in the same elbow grease.

 

[Majors]

Yeah, it’s me. If you took the time to do some reading comprehension you would have noted I stated SC does not have the same booster funds available comparable to UT. Witness the difference in FB booster $ spent. The fact that SC‘s collective carved out $25k per WBB player was a decision they made but in no way is reflective of the overall wealth within each booster club. UT is far wealthier in that respect than SC.

Which is why I said, NIL or collective. Kids don’t care where the money comes from just that it clears.

 

[Rooster1]

Which is why I said, NIL or collective. Kids don’t care where the money comes from just that it clears.

So your beef is with the UT collectives and how they decide to dish out their resources, if indeed they do not give anything to UT WBB players. Sounds like an in-house issue and not one to be used as an excuse for lack of success in recruiting or results on the court, which is what some imply in these threads or state it as if it were fact.

I‘ll ask again, how much do you believe UT had to pay for RJ and also JS to come to UT through the portal? Or did they come free? I’m assuming both were not cheap, who paid that $ if not a UT collective?

 

[Majors]

So your beef is with the UT collectives and how they decide to dish out their resources, if indeed they do not give anything to UT WBB players. Sounds like an in-house issue and not one to be used as an excuse for lack of success in recruiting or results on the court, which is what some imply in these threads or state it as if it were fact.

I‘ll ask again, how much do you believe UT had to pay for RJ and also JS to come to UT through the portal? Or did they come free?

My beef is with you playing dumb about your 25K on an opposing teams board. It’s documented RJ is taken care of. If you want to discuss football we can carry the conversation over to that forum.

 

[Rooster1]

My beef is with you playing dumb about your 25K on an opposing teams board. It’s documented RJ is taken care of. If you want to discuss football we can carry the conversation over to that forum.

So again (reading comprehension) your beef is not that a SC collective decided to pay $25k to each player, but that to your knowledge no UT collective has taken the initiative to do likewise? Though you admit same UT collectives are paying portal players to come to UT? Again, sounds like an internal thing.

I have no beef with UT, wish them the best, appreciate this site and it’s open policy to outsiders. GL today, peace.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

All good points and I will add another VERY important factor that gets dismissed by those whose agenda it doesn't fit -

Tennessee is middle of the pack in NIL money. Until we figure out a way to catch up with the programs that are outspending us, the results ceiling is going to remain lower than what many think should be accomplished.

Chicken or Egg?

is the NIL not there because people have lost faith in product(coaches/players/execution) or will the money get the product(coaches/players/execution).

Personally I have seen no changes to CKH coaching style that Would make me believe that better players would result in drastically better results.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

We need our Roy Williams and not Matt Doherty

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Matt, would have been a great UNC coach if people would have let him be.

The problem is the true blue wanted the program to stay the same and not change with the times. Matt had been other places and saw the UNC blind spots. He pissed off the grey haired blue bloods when he worked to move students closer to floor and that along with other things he wanted to do numbered his days. All this sound familiar…

UNC will stay in mediocre wilderness until they go get someone outside of program to be the next coach.

I have been UNC fan all my life growing up in NC. my allegiance changed to UT when my kids chose UT.

 

[Majors]

So again (reading comprehension) your beef is not that a SC collective decided to pay $25k to each player, but that to your knowledge no UT collective has taken the initiative to do likewise? Though you admit same UT collectives are paying portal players to come to UT? Again, sounds like an internal thing.

I have no beef with UT, wish them the best, appreciate this site and it’s open policy to outsiders. GL today, peace.

The comprehension is here. Your original words

“SC does not have more NIL/Booster funds than UT in all likelihood. SC is on the low end tbh.” Rooster

While giving 25K to each women’s player, which part do you not understand or comprehend?

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

I'm having trouble understanding the difference between "Booster Collective" funds and NIL funds. A booster collective does arrange for name, image and likeness in addition to providing income to players, but it is my understanding that the players have to provide some service to the collective.

I never said that USCe's recruiting prowess had anything to do with NIL funds. They certainly had a track record of consistent success before NIL became a factor in recruiting. Tennessee, however, is having to rebuild their program by recruiting in this environment without the funds other teams had, including USCe.

I can tell you that there is no blanket amount that is paid to the players, and very few are making $25K before other NIL opportunities.

BTW, The women's collective at Tennessee is completely separate from the men's collective.

Earl, you seem like a very knowledgeable poster. You of course know that any “six figure” deals a player receives from any NIL deal are exactly that, NIL deals, which come from National and sometimes regional commercial sponsors based upon the players social media exposure. At SC, Boston earned some National level advertising deals.That should be expected for a former NPOY. Cook had a few regional ones. Paige, Reese, Clark etc have much bigger social media presence and much larger NIL deals.

The $25k per player deal at SC comes from a booster collective, not NIL, and it is a very modest collective $ wise compared to many programs. SC is not a wealthy state, its boosters are not amongst the elite in wealth and tbh SC does not have the resources to play the upfront signing bonus game that many programs are able to employ.

Prior to the advent of NIL just a few years ago, SC had been recruiting some of the best classes each season for a long while and winning championships along the way. Now that NIL is around, I find it humorous some will say their recruiting success has anything to do with NIL. It has to do with the coach, the program she has built and the track record of that program in the past 12 years Of success and putting players into the next level.

Now, if you want to talk exclusively booster collectives, and payments to athletes to come to a school, what do you think UT boosters had to pay for RK and JP each? I am certain they did not come cheap. What did Wells cost? Does UT spend more on portal players than many other schools? Are you saying SC spends more than UT here? I really doubt that.

 

[Volfan2012]

Chicken or Egg?

is the NIL not there because people have lost faith in product(coaches/players/execution) or will the money get the product(coaches/players/execution).

Personally I have seen no changes to CKH coaching style that Would make me believe that better players would result in drastically better results.

Seem to have it for football players if we can pay one QB 8 million for 4 years. Eight million would more than likely buy a super basketball team if there were that kind of money available. If were blaming Harper for recruiting and she is not being supported with NIL we probably need to change our attitude cause that is where players are going these days. They don't care what school it is.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Seem to have it for football players if we can pay one QB 8 million for 4 years. Eight million would more than likely buy a super basketball team if there were that kind of money available. If were blaming Harper for recruiting and she is not being supported with NIL we probably need to change our attitude cause that is where players are going these days. They don't care what school it is.

My question was really would there be more NIL if people had faith in where program was going?

 

[Volfan2012]

My question was really would there be more NIL if people had faith in where program was going?

I think you need to be getting top quality players so you would have to take a leap of faith cause the big stars are looking for NIL money. The first step in the program going anywhere is getting the elite players and were not doing that for whatever reason. Some of the reason is NIL money.

 

[Majors]

My question was really would there be more NIL if people had faith in where program was going?

Winning cures all. And this staff was struggling to secure top players before NIL and struggling to win big.

 

[Rooster1]

The comprehension is here. Your original words

“SC does not have more NIL/Booster funds than UT in all likelihood. SC is on the low end tbh.” Rooster

While giving 25K to each women’s player, which part do you not understand or comprehend?

You are being purposefully dumb. Or spinning, same difference.

 

[Rooster1]

I'm having trouble understanding the difference between "Booster Collective" funds and NIL funds. A booster collective does arrange for name, image and likeness in addition to providing income to players, but it is my understanding that the players have to provide some service to the collective.

I never said that USCe's recruiting prowess had anything to do with NIL funds. They certainly had a track record of consistent success before NIL became a factor in recruiting. Tennessee, however, is having to rebuild their program by recruiting in this environment without the funds other teams had, including USCe.

I can tell you that there is no blanket amount that is paid to the players, and very few are making $25K before other NIL opportunities.

BTW, The women's collective at Tennessee is completely separate from the men's collective.

Earl, would you then find that an institution with the history and legacy of LV BB deficient in providing booster/collective funds to the WBB players in at least a moderately competitive fashion to even low $ teams such as SC?

 

[creekdipper]

Matt had been other places and saw the UNC blind spots. He pissed off the grey haired blue bloods

Or was it the blue-haired grey bloods?

 

[Majors]

You are being purposefully dumb. Or spinning, same difference.

You stated

“SC does not have more NIL/Booster funds than UT in all likelihood. SC is on the low end tbh.” Rooster

While giving 25K minimum to the WBB..which part is dumb on my end with your words and published article released.

 

[creekdipper]

As NIL payments continue to rise, which former college athletes from the pre-professional era will be the first to demand reparations?

 

[Rooster1]

I'm having trouble understanding the difference between "Booster Collective" funds and NIL funds. A booster collective does arrange for name, image and likeness in addition to providing income to players, but it is my understanding that the players have to provide some service to the collective.

I never said that USCe's recruiting prowess had anything to do with NIL funds. They certainly had a track record of consistent success before NIL became a factor in recruiting. Tennessee, however, is having to rebuild their program by recruiting in this environment without the funds other teams had, including USCe.

I can tell you that there is no blanket amount that is paid to the players, and very few are making $25K before other NIL opportunities.

BTW, The women's collective at Tennessee is completely separate from the men's collective.

And Earl, the SC collective that
pays Lady GC players is separate as well, it was set up by CDS tireless work and desire to set something up for her players away from the FB dollars, she was on it early and dedicated the time necessary to make it happen. Every school and coach had same opportunity.

 

[Majors]

As NIL payments continue to rise, which former college athletes from the pre-professional era will be the first to demand reparations?

Which ever one can prove CTE/long term injury from college. Tyrone Prothro type injury