Will Tennessee ever return to national contender status?

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Rooster1 said:
And Earl, the SC collective that
pays Lady GC players is separate as well, it was set up by CDS tireless work and desire to set something up for her players away from the FB dollars, she was on it early and dedicated the time necessary to make it happen. Every school and coach had same opportunity.
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It was my understanding that coaches and university admin were not allowed to be part of the whole NIL/Collectives. Either in their formation or operation. It appears that you're saying Staley helped set up the collective that pays her players. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you or I could also be horribly uninformed.
 
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Apparently, 'history and legacy' doesn't mean much to the recruits that we've lost due to being outbid by other schools...and yes, I believe that USCe women's basketball has greater booster/NIL resources than Tennessee.

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Earl, would you then find that an institution with the history and legacy of LV BB deficient in providing booster/collective funds to the WBB players in at least a moderately competitive fashion to even low $ teams such as SC?
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VOL720 said:
Tennessee women's basketball has won more championships and was more revelant than the men's program. I wonder why the administration didn't invest in the women's basketball program after the Pat Summit Era?
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Fulmer....answer your question
 
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Majors said:
Attendance: 8,723

40%
CAPACITY: 21,678 per ESPN stats
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That needs context. There are only 4 or 5 programs that fill their arenas, and those arenas are far smaller. Yes, a few times back in the day, PHS filled the Tommy. But 95% of programs would kill for 8K just once. The real empty seats at most WBB games are alarming and embarrassing. I'm very surprised the LVs have held on to this many, and I expect a significant drop off, esp when RJ is gone.
 
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glv98 said:
That needs context. There are only 4 or 5 programs that fill their arenas, and those arenas are far smaller. Yes, a few times back in the day, PHS filled the Tommy. But 95% of programs would kill for 8K just once. The real empty seats at most WBB games are alarming and embarrassing. I'm very surprised the LVs have held on to this many, and I expect a significant drop off, esp when RJ is gone.
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OH......................I get it now. We should accept the #1 Program in Womens Basketball has declined to what everyone else is......OK I get it ?????? You want fans in the seats.............put something on the floor!
 
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Advol said:
OH......................I get it now. We should accept the #1 Program in Womens Basketball has declined to what everyone else is......OK I get it ?????? You want fans in the seats.............put something on the floor!
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Where ya been? The LVs haven't been the #1 program in WBB for about 15 years now. And again with the "accept" crap. It happened whether we "accept" it on a fan board or not. We're just trying to scratch and claw to stay in the top 25 right now. And no, that's not what any of us want or expect but continuing to wallow in the glories of the past when the program was #1 is not helpful, and in fact has been a major hinderance in many ways.

I do agree results on the floor will put butts in the seats. But right now we're a long way from that.
 
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glv98 said:
That needs context. There are only 4 or 5 programs that fill their arenas, and those arenas are far smaller. Yes, a few times back in the day, PHS filled the Tommy. But 95% of programs would kill for 8K just once. The real empty seats at most WBB games are alarming and embarrassing. I'm very surprised the LVs have held on to this many, and I expect a significant drop off, esp when RJ is gone.
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Hollys last game against SC at home had 9400. A year a coach gets let go.
 
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Majors said:
Hollys last game against SC at home had 9400. A year a coach gets let go.
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Same attendance ballpark as yesterday. Weekend games routinely still draw 8 to 9K. I'm very surprised it's still that high.

Since I'm feeling crappy about it all, I'm going to go way out on a limb and get myself in trouble here. When we get a new coach, not only should it be a big timer from way outside the PHS coaching tree, but IMO it's time to revisit dropping "Lady" from the Vols. I'm fully aware it will probably never happen, but we can and should respectfully retire that history and move the F on. Time for a new era. Long as we keep doggedly hanging on to the old era, we're just going backwards.

We'll always honor and revere that history and certainly PHS, but Lady is just dated, IMO it's politically incorrect for modern athletes, and sadly, doesn't mean a flipping thing to today's recruits. Not saying the whole tradition doesn't mean anything to them anymore. It can be carried on, and in fact will never change as long as those banners hang. But truthfully," Lady" is being used against us in recruiting to show we're old fashioned and stuck in the past.

When we make a change, let's get real brave and admit the past, as much as we honor it, is over and we're here for the future of Vol WBB.
 
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Majors said:
Attendance: 8,723

40%
CAPACITY: 21,678 per ESPN stats
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6500 season ticket holders this year. 6000 last year.
Why get anyone else?
Or
Attendence avg this year 8026. last year 8150.
Included 20 home games last year, but we just played 3 very good teams at home so s/b exciting games with good attendance.
You really need a season to compare.

2023-24 Women's Basketball Cumulative Statistics - University of Tennessee Athletics

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glv98 said:
That needs context. There are only 4 or 5 programs that fill their arenas, and those arenas are far smaller. Yes, a few times back in the day, PHS filled the Tommy. But 95% of programs would kill for 8K just once. The real empty seats at most WBB games are alarming and embarrassing. I'm very surprised the LVs have held on to this many, and I expect a significant drop off, esp when RJ is gone.
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I couldn't find consistent records before 1997, but 1997-2012, attendance ranged from 10500 in 1997 (even that was 1st in the nation) to 16565 in 1999. The average for those years was 14210.

Warlick's years: averaged 9887...her 1st year was best, 11390, and last was worst, 8028.

Harper: 8061 without COVID.
 
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woodpusher said:
I couldn't find consistent records before 1997, but 1997-2012, attendance ranged from 10500 in 1997 (even that was 1st in the nation) to 16565 in 1999. The average for those years was 14210.

Warlick's years: averaged 9887...her 1st year was best, 11390, and last was worst, 8028.

Harper: 8061 without COVID.
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That was my point. Attendance has declined steadily since the heyday. Declined badly under HW, whose first and best year was already a 3K decline from PHS avg. KJH has pretty much held steady with what she inheirited. That's a crappy standard, but my point was I'm surprised KJH's has declined more given the results. I'm afraid it's about to, espec looking ahead to next year.
 
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glv98 said:
That was my point. Attendance has declined steadily since the heyday. Declined badly under HW, whose first and best year was already a 3K decline from PHS avg. KJH has pretty much held steady with what she inheirited. That's a crappy standard, but my point was I'm surprised KJH's has declined more given the results. I'm afraid it's about to, espec looking ahead to next year.
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We had a nice schedule of games to help put non-season ticket holders in seats, now comes the truth.
 
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glv98 said:
Where ya been? The LVs haven't been the #1 program in WBB for about 15 years now. And again with the "accept" crap. It happened whether we "accept" it on a fan board or not. We're just trying to scratch and claw to stay in the top 25 right now. And no, that's not what any of us want or expect but continuing to wallow in the glories of the past when the program was #1 is not helpful, and in fact has been a major hinderance in many ways.

I do agree results on the floor will put butts in the seats. But right now we're a long way from that.
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Ohmygosh! He/she speaks unvarnished truth. That sort of direct, honest behavior is apt to earn you a negavol label.

Seems to me that we need a change in leadership if we are to avoid continued slinking towards Old Dominion territory. We are still a pretty good program, that's to say we remain in the top 10%, but that's about it.

Now, for those who love to trot out the glory day stuff, consider what the current or future coach will be able to tell recruits in two or three years: “We won National Championships here at Tennessee, but of course that was before you were born…”
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Updated net rankings.

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86th in the country. 💔
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Oh wow. That is really bad. And Oklahoma is #50, so at the moment that's just barely a Q1 win.

MTSU really is a must-win this week as they are #70, so on a neutral court a loss would be a Q2 loss. At least with all of the challenges we had last year, we were 9-0 in Q2 games.
 
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travis929 said:
Oh wow. That is really bad. And Oklahoma is #50, so at the moment that's just barely a Q1 win.

MTSU really is a must-win this week as they are #70, so on a neutral court a loss would be a Q2 loss. At least with all of the challenges we had last year, we were 9-0 in Q2 games.
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I’m not sure OU is really that good. They got their clocks cleaned by Princeton at the same tournament where we beat them.
 
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