Will Tennessee ever return to national contender status?

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dapeak said:
1. Be willing to step outside the coaching tree. Kellie still has the same S&D coach from Missouri State.. for what reason??? Husband on staff for what reason??? What is the role of Jon Harper???? He was touted as a Post coach but now you have Joy. He’s not a recruiter, and if it’s defense or offense he’s failing at both. What is his role? She gotta go. You teaching young ladies that they gotta have their husbands on staff soaking up a spot for no reason? Gotta go.
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I agree with this .... What exactly does Jon Harper bring to the table?
 
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madtownvol said:
CPS tried the lock em out approach with her baby vol squad. They still lost in the first round to Ball State.
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It’s the message more than the result at this time. If they are too nice, take away the things making them soft.
 
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Majors said:
It’s the message more than the result at this time. If they are too nice, take away the things making them soft.
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More psychological BS. Then have them spend a month doing hard time in prison and they will be world beaters right?

Personally, I care more about results than pandering with some symbolic gesture to the spare the rod spoil the child crowd.

Put Rickea back in the line-up and this soft narrative goes away, just like it did not exist when she was in the line-up.

Sometimes injuries matter.
 
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madtownvol said:
More psychological BS. Then have them spend a month doing hard time in prison and they will be world beaters right?

Personally, I care more about results than pandering to the spare the rod spoil the child crowd.

Put Rickea back in the line-up and this soft narrative goes away, just like it did not exist when she was in the line-up.

Sometimes injuries matter.
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Then don’t publicly say they are soft. That’s the psychological BS. If you’re going to say your team is soft, there needs to be answer to address it rather than throwing them under the bus for their personality that the coach recruited them for.
 
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SGMVols said:
While he is a Knoxville guy (bachelor’s from Johnson U and then master’s at UT), I don’t think he would take the job at this point. NC State is almost certainly his last job.

Our chance to get him was after Pat retired when he was at UTC.
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He also coached at Maryville College for a long time. It's easy to say that he should have been hired in 2013 now .... but that would have been a much tougher call back then. He typically would make the NCAA Tournament at Chattanooga, but I think he only ever won 1 game.
 
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Without RJ or JP on the floor the team has no floor leader....
I don't think "soft" is the correct phrase..CKH should have used...
Maybe it should be discombobulated without RJ on floor directing traffic...
Just my opinion...but I've been wrong number of times....
That's what my wife said anyway...😜😜
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Without RJ or JP on the floor the team has no floor leader....
I don't think "soft" is the correct phrase..CKH should have used...
Maybe it should be discombobulated without RJ on floor directing traffic...
Just my opinion...but I've been wrong number of times....
That's what my wife said anyway...😜😜
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100% concur. It was a poor choice of words, where KJH fell back on a sports psyche cliche to explain a subpar performance.

I am not in the fire Kellie camp but I don't think she made great line-up choices. We needed a quicker team to press and disrupt Indiana (who have size but not speed).

Powell made a real difference in the regard. Of course, she is coming off an injury and so they may have needed to manage her minute in this first game back.

So, some options may have been limited but I would have plauyd Wynn way more and Tess a lot less. Even though Puckett made some shots in the 2nd half, she was not up for the fight (given her ankle injury).

I would have gone small and hard pressing with Spears, Wynn, Powell (as much as possible, rotating with Wells), Jillian and Striplin.

My biggest complaint about Kellie is her lack of flexibility. She has the players to throw different looks at teams but she often is a one-size fits all coach.

When you have Rickea, you can get away with that but not without her.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think Danny White wants to make Tennessee women's basketball elite again. Like any AD you have to give an incoming coach that has been moderately successful a chance to get it done with their own players. Well that year is now and I can see him making a move if the program goes to much downhill this season and certainly if we can't get it done in season six. I don't see her lasting past season six without a big tourney run. I could see him making a change this season if she continues to lose to all the ranked teams. Comes a time when you either accept the status quo or you change the direction completely. I am hoping if she can't make it happen this season he changes direction. I think five seasons is enough to get back to the top and were no where near there.
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If so, he needs to stop extending her. You do that for HS school recruiting but that has been very ineffective. Hard to see him spending buyout money on WBB.
 
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lfvol said:
If so, he needs to stop extending her. You do that for HS school recruiting but that has been very ineffective. Hard to see him spending by out money on WBB.
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That would draw the hard line in the sand, and put her on notice, “Produce or move on.”

Not necessarily advocating for that course of action. Danny White needs to have a number of alternate plans in place before executing that decision.

I understand it may be difficult to fathom but look around the SEC. We could easily fall into a worse coaching staff…
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Everyone? The only ones that really matter are Boyd, Plowman and White. And there has been no real indication they agree.
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They take notice of the things that matter. Wins, losses and fans filling seats. Those help more in the matter because it makes it easy either way.

Everyone is in reference to new ones questioning the direction of the team.
 
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VOL720 said:
I just want to say there is no hate and please forgive me if there has been a similar thread posted. This is just a conversation, but I am concerned that Tennessee will never be amongst the elites again. I remember there were times I couldn't wait to get in front of the big screen in my house to watch the Lady Vols play, to see the new recruits and what they will bring to the team or will the team make a deep post season run possibly finally getting to the Final Four. These last five or more years have been hard to watch. It's like Tennessee never shows up in the big games or rarely win games that they aren't the favorites. The Sweet 16 has become the new norm. Third place in the conference has been accepted as good. There has been loaded rosters during these times but the play on the court has been just good and not great. My expectations have dropped significantly. I don't watch their games anymore. I only check score tracker when I know they are playing because it has become hard to watch a team play with little passion and sloppy basketball. I understand NIL, but Tennessee's recruiting wasn't great prior to NIL. The coaching, the offensive and defensive schemes makes you just shake your head. As a fan base, do you all think Tennessee will ever be amongst the elites again and considered a national
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mcannon1 said:
If Vic Shafer had been hired after Warlick we'd be there now. We need a better coach.
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Vic at Texas last 3 years. 21-10, elite 8, lost to SC 34-62. 26-10, 3 seed in Big 12, elite 8, ran off 6 players to Portal. 26-10, 1st round defeat in NCAA TOURNEY. Is that what you would rather have? Good lick with that!
 
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Majac said:
Vic at Texas last 3 years. 21-10, elite 8, lost to SC 34-62. 26-10, 3 seed in Big 12, elite 8, ran off 6 players to Portal. 26-10, 1st round defeat in NCAA TOURNEY. Is that what you would rather have? Good lick with that!
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Vic went to a team that wasn't making the tournament and got them to the elite 8 his first year. Elite 8 his 2nd year too. Then his star point guard was got injured last year, his 3rd. Hide and watch and see what he does the next few years.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
That would draw the hard line in the sand, and put her on notice, “Produce or move on.”

Not necessarily advocating for that course of action. Danny White needs to have a number of alternate plans in place before executing that decision.

I understand it may be difficult to fathom but look around the SEC. We could easily fall into a worse coaching staff…
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You don't keep a mediocre coach out of fear that your next coach could be worse. Certainly not a program like ours. Doing that would only suggest that we've got the wrong AD. Warlick was a terrible idea--and there should have been people in the athletic department who recognized that she was far too inexperienced and thus far too risky. WAY over her head in the job. And then after 7 Holly Ho Ho Ho seasons good 'ole Phil conducted his Laz Z Boy search and spotted another former player whom he figured he could hire without heaving himself up from his armchair. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he interviewed more than one coach other than Harper--a rather modest .599 winning percentage at mid-major Missouri State after getting dropped from her previous job-- and Lawson, who had no coaching experience at all. Two Harvard case studies in slothful, unambitious coaching "searches."
 
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tennesseeduke said:
YOU PEOPLE DO REALIZE THAT WE ARE BASICALLY MISSING AN ENTIRE RECRUITING CLASS. JH HAS 3 YRS UNDER HIS BELT. HE TOOK OVER A TEAM THAT HAD 64 SCHOLARSHIP PLAYERS ON IT, DID WHAT HE DID LAST SEASON. 2025 WILL BE A GOOD YEAR TO START JUDGING JH BUT EVEN THEN ITS EARLY!
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Dude the cap lock button is on the left edge in the middle of the keyboard.....
 
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