Will the real Trayvon Martin please stand up?

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Lawrence Wright said:
Carrying a gun doesn't make you weak.

Getting beat down by someone who weighs 100-lbs less than you, while carrying a gun, makes you weak.
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getting hit from behind (like the reports say) can take anyone down. From the pictures it looks like TM was a football player so he had probably been in the weight room at one time in his life.
 
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utvolpj said:
getting hit from behind (like the reports say) can take anyone down. From the pictures it looks like TM was a football player so he had probably been in the weight room at one time in his life.
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Anything's possible I guess.

I have a problem believing that Zimmerman would be caught unexpectedly from behind from a guy he thought to be so suspicious he called 911.

If I'm Zimmerman I've got my head on a swivel and calling others on the neighborhood watch team for backup.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Anything's possible I guess.

I have a problem believing that Zimmerman would be caught unexpectedly from behind from a guy he thought to be so suspicious he called 911.

If I'm Zimmerman I've got my head on a swivel and calling others on the neighborhood watch team for backup.
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neighborhood watch captain with a gun following people around? sounds like a billy badass to me.
 
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utvolpj said:
he was 5'9" 250lb. Not exactly the picture of health and anyone that gets blindsided can go down

carrying a gun doesn't make you weak. Of course all these snap judgements about Zimmerman are no different than the ones about TM
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250? I read 200 lbs. He doesn't look nearly fat enough to be 250 lbs at only 5' 9". Agreed that whatever the weight is, we are dealing with major pussary.
 
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Okay, so dealing drugs warrants a death sentence from fatass vigilantes.

GS, I don't think you're a good person at all. However, I wouldn't shoot you if you came through my neighborhood with a bag of skittles. I might throw flamings bags of my great dane's excrement in your general direction, but I wouldn't put a cap in your ancient ass.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Okay, so dealing drugs warrants a death sentence from fatass vigilantes.

GS, I don't think you're a good person at all. However, I wouldn't shoot you if you came through my neighborhood with a bag of skittles. I might throw flamings bags of my great dane's excrement in your general direction, but I wouldn't put a cap in your ancient ass.
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I still haven't gotten a straight answer. He knows if he says the murder was justified, it pretty much means there is a huge % of teenagers who deserve a bullet in the torso.
 
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The same people that got their panties in a wad over Zimmerman being painted in a bad light are the same people who are now crucifying Martin. Yeah, let's blame the victim and make sure we make him look as bad as possible so we can justify him being murdered. I hate you all.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
The same people that got their panties in a wad over Zimmerman being painted in a bad light are the same people who are now crucifying Martin. Yeah, let's blame the victim and make sure we make him look as bad as possible so we can justify him being murdered. I hate you all.
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1) murder has not been proven

2) does the life of TM not have any bearing on the night he died? Sure seemed to matter when discussing Zimmerman
 
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utvolpj said:
1) murder has not been proven

2) does the life of TM not have any bearing on the night he died? Sure seemed to matter when discussing Zimmerman
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What? He killed someone. Self defense or not, that is still murder in my book. And no, just because he may have smoked some pot and allegedly committed theft does indeed NOT mean he was okay to kill. And I am not saying I was okay with how the media portrayed Zimmerman, but Jesus Christ, since when do two wrongs make a right? Just because Zimmerman was painted poorly does not mean Martin should be slighted...in any way, shape or form.
 
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Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but the picture of the kid flipping off the camera is not Trayvon Martin.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
What? He killed someone. Self defense or not, that is still murder in my book. And no, just because he may have smoked some pot and allegedly committed theft does indeed NOT mean he was okay to kill. And I am not saying I was okay with how the media portrayed Zimmerman, but Jesus Christ, since when do two wrongs make a right? Just because Zimmerman was painted poorly does not mean Martin should be slighted...in any way, shape or form.
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Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human
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none of this has been proven unless I missed something

The myth that every dead person was a saint and shouldn't be held accountable to their prior actions is something that needs to end in this country. His history is definitely relevant to the story when Zimmerman is being painted as a vigilante that killed a fine, young man that just wanted some Skittles.
 
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utvolpj said:
none of this has been proven unless I missed something

The myth that every dead person was a saint and shouldn't be held accountable to their prior actions is something that needs to end in this country. His history is definitely relevant to the story when Zimmerman is being painted as a vigilante that killed a fine, young man that just wanted some Skittles.
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How does his history help this case? He was walking down the street. Not robbing a house. Not token it up.
 
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hndog609 said:
What in the blue hell are you talking about with this?? I've got to assume your typing got ahead of your thinking here. Maybe you just need to clarify a bit.
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I don't care if it is self defense or not, it is still murder. Maybe not in the legal sense, but you still took someone's life, so that is murder.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
How does his history help this case? He was walking down the street. Not robbing a house. Not token it up.
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if you're painting the shooter in a negative light then turnabout is fair play right? All this "innocent young man with a bright future" never does anything but skew the opinion
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I don't care if it is self defense or not, it is still murder. Maybe not in the legal sense, but you still took someone's life, so that is murder.
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Then you clearly have no idea what "murder" means. This is not an opinion BTW, it's a definitional issue you're having.
 
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utvolpj said:
if you're painting the shooter in a negative light then turnabout is fair play right? All this "innocent young man with a bright future" never does anything but skew the opinion
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They do that with every victim! Black, white, Hispanic, whatever. You never read or hear a eulogy that says 'he/she got what was coming to them. It is the respectful thing to do.
 
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hndog609 said:
Then you clearly have no idea what "murder" means. This is not an opinion BTW, it's a definitional issue you're having.
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In the court of law, he will get manslaughter at best. In the court of public opinion and civil court, he will get skewered.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
In the court of law, he will get manslaughter at best. In the court of public opinion and civil court, he will get skewered.
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This is a more reasoned approach. The big problem is the SD angle. With only what we know now that angle is at least somewhat supported by what evidence there is and possibly further corroborated by evidence not yet released. (I don't want to get too speculative on the latter) If the SD claim stands up under the preponderance of evidence the only people that can claim otherwise are those people who are ready to leap to a conclusion based not on evidence but what they "believe". That's how you think things should work?

I find it funny that a great many people (I'm not just saying here BTW) that are quick to point a finger at Zimmerman as being a "vigilante" are more than happy to take on a similar mindset when it suits them.
 
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hndog609 said:
This is a more reasoned approach. The big problem is the SD angle. With only what we know now that angle is at least somewhat supported by what evidence there is and possibly further corroborated by evidence not yet released. (I don't want to get too speculative on the latter) If the SD claim stands up under the preponderance of evidence the only people that can claim otherwise are those people who are ready to leap to a conclusion based not on evidence but what they "believe". That's how you think things should work?

I find it funny that a great many people (I'm not just saying here BTW) that are quick to point a finger at Zimmerman as being a "vigilante" are more than happy to take on a similar mindset when it suits them.
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Ironic ain't it.

Let's get him!
 
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