Will there be football in 2020?

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PlanetVolunteer said:
Yeah not at one time, but they're packed all day everyday, so you can bet there have been more than 100,000 thousand people in a local Walmart by the end of the week in a big city, less than that in a small town, but you can bet an entire small town will have traversed a local Walmart countless times over.

I have family in camden Tenn. Tiny town. Lots of tiny towns in the south. Everybody and their grandma has been up in the Walmart there over the last 6 weeks. No cases.

I live in an area where 245 thousand people live and we have a billion grocery stores and they are filled to the brim all day everyday.

As of two days ago. 8 people in the hospital. No way the thing isn't spreading in grocery stores.

The death rate is just so low and most people are asymptomatic.
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You just made the case for why people should not crowd. Put 108,000 people on a 2 acre plot in Camden and see what happens. By the way, your information about the number of cases in Camden is incorrect.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
That is because there are vaccines and treatments that are effective for flu, pneumonia, etc. Not so for COVID-19. Also, this strain of Coronavirus is 30 or more times more contagious than flu. For context, see Trousdale prison situation.
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1246 positive cases. 98% infection rate. Single digit hospitalizations. One critical care hospitalization. One death. If you are arguing about contagion alone, great point. Anything further, and this is a bad example to push more fear.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
The heck are you talking about?

2018 - 2019 Approximately, 35.5 million people were infected with influenza, approximately 16.5 million went to their healthcare provider for treatment, approximately 490,600 were hospitalized, and 34,200 people died from it. This is something we’ve had a vaccine for, for many many years. The biggest reason people don’t have issues with the flu anymore is the vaccine and heard immunity. Plus, proven treatments outside of a vaccine.
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I have zero interest in it either way. Believe what you want. Those numbers are misleading though. When complied by the CDC they are derived from estimated cases and a math formula. The Covid-19 deaths are an actual head count. After it is all said and done will be the only time we’ll get an accurate analysis of how lethal it actually is.
If you believe those flu numbers though, that’s 35,000 over a whole flu season with 38 million cases. Covid is around 70,000 in a couple months with less than 2 million cases.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Understand that having hypertension or being between 40 and 60 years old is high risk.
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I've seen nothing placing anyone under 65 that is otherwise healthy in a high risk category. In fact, 85 and over is the primary high risk mentioned, with 65 plus also in consideration. Where are the 40-60 year olds succumbing to this illness? They aren't in the nursing homes. All of the infected ones are asymptomatic in prisons, apparently.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
You just made the case for why people should not crowd. Put 108,000 people on a 2 acre plot in Camden and see what happens. By the way, your information about the number of cases in Camden is incorrect.
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Fine I guessed on the cases.

And no I didn't. Over 100 thousand people basically already share the same INDOOR space in grocery stores in big cities.

But okay, put 108,000 people on a 2 acre plot in Camden maybe 1 or 2 people die from Covid-19 because they're 80 years old and obviously have underlying health problems.

Maybe a 59 real obese country dude whose been eating fried southern food his whole life develops pneumonia from Covid-19 and dies.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
1246 positive cases. 98% infection rate. Single digit hospitalizations. One critical care hospitalization. One death. If you are arguing about contagion alone, great point. Anything further, and this is a bad example to push more fear.
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My point is that it is tremendously contagious. Influenza does not do this. Single digit hospitalizations, one death SO FAR.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I've seen nothing placing anyone under 65 that is otherwise healthy in a high risk category. In fact, 85 and over is the primary high risk mentioned, with 65 plus also in consideration. Where are the 40-60 year olds succumbing to this illness? They aren't in the nursing homes. All of the infected ones are asymptomatic in prisons, apparently.
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Not succumbing is not good enough. Having your life saved as a 55 yo marathoner by a 6 week ventilator course and daily dialysis is not all it is talked up to be. That successful endeavor is followed by being a pulmonary cripple.

In Tennessee, the the 40-60 year old age group represents 34% of cases while 81 and over represents 3%. Certainly an 85 year old is more likely to fare worse but your minimizing this disease among relatively healthy people is why there should be no football at Neyland this Fall.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Fine I guessed on the cases.

And no I didn't. Over 100 thousand people basically already share the same INDOOR space in grocery stores in big cities.

But okay, put 108,000 people on a 2 acre plot in Camden maybe 1 or 2 people die from Covid-19 because they're 80 years old and obviously have underlying health problems.

Maybe a 59 real obese country dude whose been eating fried southern food his whole life develops pneumonia from Covid-19 and dies.
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A grocery store with 100,000 capacity? Your reasoning would say that 100,000 grocery stores with a capacity of 1 is the same thing.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Not succumbing is not good enough. Having your life saved as a 55 yo marathoner by a 6 week ventilator course and daily dialysis is not all it is talked up to be. That successful endeavor is followed by being a pulmonary cripple.

In Tennessee, the the 40-60 year old age group represents 34% of cases while 81 and over represents 3%. Certainly an 85 year old is more likely to fare worse but your minimizing this disease among relatively healthy people is why there should be no football at Neyland this Fall.
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Not sure where you are getting your data, but hospitalizations for the two groups comprising 18-64 years old make up the lowest representation of hospitalizations per 100,000 with the exception of children (which barely registers on the data lines). Their numbers are miniscule. 85 year olds on sheer numbers would not be well represented because there are many less in raw number terms. Per 100,000, they register quite high in comparison. Maybe you are talking about raw numbers. Maybe you are talking about infections being high with the vast increase in testing (with most being asymptomatic and not likely hospitalizations). Either way, you are not talking about anything that is pertinent to the topic.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Understand that having hypertension or being between 40 and 60 years old is high risk.
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40-60? Where are you getting that? So once you pass 60, your odds go down? Most reports I have seen have over 60 or 65 as the start of the risk group based on age and I haven't seen a single one stating after 60 your risk drops. Based on available data, do you know what one of the biggest risks is ? Being in New York, over a third of confirmed US infections are in NY.

Regardless, why do you or some bureaucrat with a guaranteed job and pension get to decide what I can do and when I can go back to work?
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Not sure where you are getting your data, but hospitalizations for the two groups comprising 18-64 years old make up the lowest representation of hospitalizations per 100,000 with the exception of children (which barely registers on the data lines). Their numbers are miniscule. 85 year olds on sheer numbers would not be well represented because there are many less in raw number terms. Per 100,000, they register quite high in comparison. Maybe you are talking about raw numbers. Maybe you are talking about infections being high with the vast increase in testing (with most being asymptomatic and not likely hospitalizations). Either way, you are not talking about anything that is pertinent to the topic.
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My data was plagiarized from the Tennessee Department of Health website. Your comments are true in fact but superficial in reality.

I understand younger people are less likely to become ill (you would not believe how well I understand that). I also understand that an asymptomatic person who is infected with this, or virtually any virus, is contagious to others. I don't understand your comfort level with the fact that 98% are asymptomatic.

Would you be comfortable in a room of 100 COVID-19 patients 98% of whom are asymptomatic?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
A grocery store with 100,000 capacity? Your reasoning would say that 100,000 grocery stores with a capacity of 1 is the same thing.
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No.

I'm saying over the course of a week in a highly populated area, you'll have 100 thousand people going in and out of supercenters like wal mart.
 
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05_never_again said:
Easier to enforce some measure of social distancing when allowing students to return to classrooms than having 102k in a football stadium. I know they are going to try and have classes, but I bet you all the common areas will still be closed off.

Having football with no fans is much better than nothing. It'll be really weird watching games on TV with no crowd presence/noise.
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Being outside, in hot temp is the best thing. The virus will die quickly in the air.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Trousdale County
2 deaths
1,356 cases
16 recovered
16/1,365 equals 98%, right?
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Cool. Those are Trousdale County numbers. We were discussing the prison in Trousdale County. My numbers are accurate as of two days ago for the prison in Hartsville/Trousdale County. Again, you utilize incorrect information relative to the discussion. You're sneaky.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
40-60? Where are you getting that? So once you pass 60, your odds go down? Most reports I have seen have over 60 or 65 as the start of the risk group based on age and I haven't seen a single one stating after 60 your risk drops. Based on available data, do you know what one of the biggest risks is ? Being in New York, over a third of confirmed US infections are in NY.

Regardless, why do you or some bureaucrat with a guaranteed job and pension get to decide what I can do and when I can go back to work?
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*I'm getting that from published data
*No, your odds do not go down after 60
*Neither have I
*New York's population density is about 350 people per acre
*Neyland Stadium's population density during a home football game is about 35,000 people per acre

I am not a bureaucrat. I do not have a guaranteed job, only one I worked to put in place for myself and whose revenue has been cut in half compared to what I made the same period last year. I do not have a guaranteed pension.

I have made no decisions that affect you.
 
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