Woman Has 15 Abortions In 17 Years

[BigPapaVol]

No difference between 2 weeks, 10 weeks or 2 years old to me.

that just makes no sense to me. Even more baffling is the fact that you believe it so cut and dried.

 

[droski]

That is a different thing all together. That is behind man's control. A person is not making that decision.

so god killed the baby?

 

[volfanjustin]

i see. so everytime you've had sex you wanted to have a baby?

No sir. But at that point I made a decision. To have sex or not to, to use protection or not to. I made a decision so I have to live with the results of my decision.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Your question does not make a lot of sense. If she did not want to get pregnant then she should not have laid down.

So the ONLY reason a woman would want to "lay down" is because she wants to become pregnant? I've heard that some women may not enjoy sex as much as men, but this seems to be taking it a bit too far.

If skinnied down to brass tacks, he would be ambivalent. If forced to render an opinion, he, like me, would probably be against abortion.

I personally find abortion detestable, but that doesn't change that women should have the right to decide. I agree with forcing a decision early. I would never advocate that my daughter have an abortion, if it came to it, but that doesn't change the right and wrong of the legal ruling.

Which is why, IMO, that a middle of the road compromise would be that it becomes a state issue and not federal... as I tried to reference earlier with my Terri Schiavo example.

 

[volfanjustin]

Sweet. The head in the sand abstinence approach is solid. Falwell would be proud.

I am trying to make him proud here. I really look up to him.

 

[rjd970]

I am trying to make him proud here. I really look up to him.

biting my lip.....

 

[BigPapaVol]

Which is why, IMO, that a middle of the road compromise would be that it becomes a state issue and not federal... as I tried to reference earlier with my Terri Schiavo example.

but how is it a state issue any longer after the SCOTUS has made a legal ruling?

I sincerely don't understand the legal process well enough to know the answer. How would a state keep the SCOTUS from overturning its law?

 

[BigPapaVol]

biting my lip.....

I assume that was a joke, even though his arguments reflect Falwell thinking almost perfectly.

 

[volfanjustin]

so god killed the baby?

That is idiotic.

 

[droski]

but how is it a state issue any longer after the SCOTUS has made a legal ruling?

I sincerely don't understand the legal process well enough to know the answer. How would a state keep the SCOTUS from overturning its law?

not sure if it's the question you are asking, but if roe v wade get's overturned then abortion becomes a state by state decision (as it was before roe v wade).

 

[droski]

That is idiotic.

it's a baby right?

 

[volfanjustin]

I assume that was a joke, even though his arguments reflect Falwell thinking almost perfectly.

That was not a joke. I do admire social conservatives.

 

[volfanjustin]

not sure if it's the question you are asking, but if roe v wade get's overturned then abortion becomes a state by state decision (as it was before roe v wade).

That is what it should be, a state issue

 

[BigPapaVol]

not sure if it's the question you are asking, but if roe v wade get's overturned then abortion becomes a state by state decision (as it was before roe v wade).

yes, but as long as the ruling stands, how can any state have jurisdiction?

Is the argument that the SCOTUS should scrap its ruling by declaring it a state issue? That's different.

That ruling would only serve attorneys.

 

[BigPapaVol]

That was not a joke. I do admire social conservatives.

Holy disaster. You're a Falwell fan?

So you like that the Christian Coalition has gutted the thinking end of the conservative movement? That's a whole new debate.

 

[volfanjustin]

it's a baby right?

Yes. But my whole arguement is that it should not be up to a human to kill a child. If nature did not let it happen there is not a thing we can do about that.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

but how is it a state issue any longer after the SCOTUS has made a legal ruling?

I sincerely don't understand the legal process well enough to know the answer. How would a state keep the SCOTUS from overturning its law?

I'm not saying it is... I'm saying it should be. If "ending a life" that requires sustenance from a machine (in the case of Schiavo) was decided and upheld at the state level, then why shouldn't abortion be decided at the state level?

Amendment 10 to the BoR - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[rjd970]

Wasn't Falwell the one that said we deserved the 911 attacks because of our tolerance for putting up with gay shenanigans?

 

[volfanjustin]

Guys I am going to get some work done now I have been on this long enough. I may try to come back later. I have enjoyed the debate.
I will end with a final thought on where I stand.
Legally: It should be a state issue. Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
Morally: There should never me an abortion, never ever. No reason, no time.

But again thanks for the debate. This is an issue where everyone has an opinion and a debate that will last as long as we do.

 

[rpvol]

I am trying to make him proud here. I really look up to him.

:ermm:

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Guys I am going to get some work done now I have been on this long enough. I may try to come back later. I have enjoyed the debate.
I will end with a final thought on where I stand.
Legally: It should be a state issue. Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
Morally: There should never me an abortion, never ever. No reason, no time.

But again thanks for the debate. This is an issue where everyone has an opinion and a debate that will last as long as we do.

Justin. That opens the door to issues not even discussed yet... for example, the right for a woman to have an abortion as a rape victim.

 

[JZVOL]

That was not a joke. I do admire social conservatives.

I love people who pimp out God to make a name for them self (not to mention money).

 

[volfanjustin]

Justin. That opens the door to issues not even discussed yet... for example, the right for a woman to have an abortion as a rape victim.

What right for a woman to have an abortion as a rape victim? Where can I find this "right"

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

What right for a woman to have an abortion as a rape victim? Where can I find this "right"

I'm referring to the discussion of abortion rights for women of unwanted pregnancy as a result of rape, sexual assault or incest.

 

[volfanjustin]

I'm referring to the discussion of abortion rights for women of unwanted pregnancy as a result of rape, sexual assault or incest.

Oh ok, sorry I guess I took it wrong. You are just saying their is a discussion to be had in those cases correct?