Woman Has 15 Abortions In 17 Years

#253
#253
volfanjustin said:
What right for a woman to have an abortion as a rape victim? Where can I find this "right"
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Again, if we can only live by expressly granted rights, it's going to get boring around here. I'll have to dump all of my beer.
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#256
#256
BigPapaVol said:
Again, if we can only live by expressly granted rights, it's going to get boring around here. I'll have to dump all of my beer.
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As you can see, I've only been a member for a few months. I'm just curious... does it always get this rambunctious during bye weeks?
 
#257
#257
volfanjustin said:
You have beaten that to death. That arguement is old. You are comparing apples and oranges.
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How? You keep trotting out this absurdity about where the right to abortion is written. Our law doesn't work that way. We have to expressly take things away, otherwise they are implied rights.
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#259
#259
droski said:
one of your reasons for a women not being able to have an abortion is that she chose to have sex. a rape victim did not make that choice.
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That is true. And this is much more complicated. But I am consistent, I just believe that you don't have an abortion for any reason. God gave that person a baby for a reason. I am all in favor of adoption.
 
#260
#260
BigPapaVol said:
How? You keep trotting out this absurdity about where the right to abortion is written. Our law doesn't work that way. We have to expressly take things away, otherwise they are implied rights.
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obviously you haven't read section 223 of the constitution where is states ones right to move their bowels and drink milk.
 
#261
#261
volfanjustin said:
That is true. And this is much more complicated. But I am consistent, I just believe that you don't have an abortion for any reason. God gave that person a baby for a reason. I am all in favor of adoption.
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god had her raped for a reason?
 
#262
#262
BigPapaVol said:
How? You keep trotting out this absurdity about where the right to abortion is written. Our law doesn't work that way. We have to expressly take things away, otherwise they are implied rights.
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As I keep going back to, the Declaration of Independence says the right to life, liberty and the pirsuit of happiness. The right to life says you have the right to live. And if drinking beer makes you happy then you have that right.
 
#263
#263
droski said:
god had her raped for a reason?
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I never said that, but good try. I said he gave her that child for a reason. And again I am all for putting a child up for adoption. My wife and I are unable to have children so I am all for adoption.
 
#265
#265
volfanjustin said:
As I keep going back to, the Declaration of Independence says the right to life, liberty and the pirsuit of happiness. The right to life says you have the right to live. And if drinking beer makes you happy then you have that right.
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Lots of issues here:

1. Declaration of Independence isn't law. Never has been and is never going to be.

2. Right to pursuit of happiness is only about what I can do to the extent it doesn't impact others. When I infringe upon them, my rights end, even I beer drinking.

3. No founding document of ours proffers rights upon unborn fetuses, period.
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#266
BigPapaVol said:
Lots of issues here:

1. Declaration of Independence isn't law. Never has been and is never going to be.

2. Right to pursuit of happiness is only about what I can do to the extent it doesn't impact others. When I infringe upon them, my rights end, even I beer drinking.

3. No founding document of ours proffers rights upon unborn fetuses, period.
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You drinking beer and not hurting anyone else does not impact others and if it did then you are right your rights end there.

And it states you have the right to life. Period. You have the right to be born and to live.
 
#269
#269
volfanjustin said:
You drinking beer and not hurting anyone else does not impact others and if it did then you are right your rights end there.

And it states you have the right to life. Period. You have the right to be born and to live.
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Perhaps the point you are missing is that the Declaration of Indepence has a closer correlation to simply being a written letter rather than written law. It is not part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. It didn't establish... it stated.
 
#271
#271
IBlvNTmWrk said:
As you can see, I've only been a member for a few months. I'm just curious... does it always get this rambunctious during bye weeks?
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Just wait until the off season when there are no sports to talk about.
 
#272
#272
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Perhaps the point you are missing is that the Declaration of Indepence has a closer correlation to simply being a written letter rather than written law. It is not part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. It didn't establish... it stated.
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Its our founding document. Our founding fathers stated there that we have the right to life. I am not sure what you all don't get about that.
 
#274
#274
volfanjustin said:
Its our founding document. Our founding fathers stated there that we have the right to life. I am not sure what you all don't get about that.
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So are condoms and birth control pills also wrong? They are interfering with the "right to life" as well...
 
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