Women's World Cup 2011

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#676
secfanclub said:
Again, you fail to realize that the US team was lucky too in their journey to the finals by coming back in the final moments in a previous match. It takes luck in getting to the finals and winning it all, and the US is not immune to that fact either. Past records against a team go down the drain when it comes to the finals. Being rated number one doesn't guarantee anything. The US dominated the game and played well but just couldn't finish their attacks. The particular careless goal you are referring to was a result of the ball bouncing off players and being available for a player who intelligently placed the ball in the corner of the net away from the goalie. You shouldn't take anything away from Japan on that goal where a player took advantage of a situation that became available. Just like in American football, the bounce of the ball can go either way for any team. As far as who gets credit for any goals is only determined by the final score. Soccer like many sports are a game of inches. Japan did play very well as did the Americans with their ball possession. One thing that the US could not do effectively and consistently was penetrate the Japanese defense, especially the back line. The reason was not poor play of the US, but good defensive play by the Japanese. You need to give credit where credit is due instead of using the excuse of the US playing poorly or the Japanese being lucky. Luck goes both ways as does good and poor play. Again, playing for ones country is a much more potent force than playing for your teammates or your coach and that is exactly what Japan was playing for, their country.
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What would you like me to say? I'll phrase my opinion of the game exactly how you want.
 
#678
#678
secfanclub said:
The particular careless goal you are referring to was a result of the ball bouncing off players and being available for a player who intelligently placed the ball in the corner of the net away from the goalie. You shouldn't take anything away from Japan on that goal where a player took advantage of a situation that became available. Just like in American football, the bounce of the ball can go either way for any team.
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I like your idea. This way we can take the blame off of a guy like Ainge who tossed a ball sidearm from the back of the endzone while being driven into the goalpost and instead give credit to the fine job the LSU D did in forcing that kind of decision.

It was a boneheaded play by a defender on the middle school level and one that a national team player should absolutely never make. I would have a hard time trusting that person on my back line again

The corner was the only shot that took skill but would never have happened if the US didn't give up the ball on their end of the field yet again. These were not really opportunities created by Japan but rather stupid mistakes made by a team packing it in the try and preserve a 1 goal win
 
#679
#679
nbakerld said:
What would you like me to say? I'll phrase my opinion of the game exactly how you want.
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It amazes how we quickly blame our own players for a loss because of mistakes. Sometimes, it is the play of the other team that causes mistakes to occur. And yes Ainge made a mistake throwing the ball out of the end zone, but it was the pass rush of LSU that forced Ainge into a hastily made decision. The same principle applies in basketball with pressure defense where you force your opponent to make mistakes in turning over the ball. Some of you guys need to just learn to accept defeat and move on. And yes, Japan simply played very well.
 
#680
#680
secfanclub said:
Some of you guys need to just learn to accept defeat and move on. And yes, Japan simply played very well.
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pretty sure no one is saying the US won the match so I guess we've all accepted that now. Good job

I am starting to wonder how much you really know about soccer. The match was being dominated by one side but that side also made critical errors that allowed an inferior opponent to stay in the game. The game truly should have been over 10-15min into it
 
#681
#681
utvolpj said:
pretty sure no one is saying the US won the match so I guess we've all accepted that now. Good job

I am starting to wonder how much you really know about soccer. The match was being dominated by one side but that side also made critical errors that allowed an inferior opponent to stay in the game. The game truly should have been over 10-15min into it
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Agreed. The dude knows nothing about soccer. Nothing. Japan played like ****. One goal came off a stupid clearance and the other was some flukey deflection. They had zero chances that truly challenged Solo.
 
#682
#682
utvolpj said:
pretty sure no one is saying the US won the match so I guess we've all accepted that now. Good job

I am starting to wonder how much you really know about soccer. The match was being dominated by one side but that side also made critical errors that allowed an inferior opponent to stay in the game. The game truly should have been over 10-15min into it
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As a moderator, it is not your job to assess my soccer knowledge. How did you become a moderator? As far as my knowledge, I was a coach at the high school level for seven years if you must really know. I don't claim to be such an expert, but I do know soccer. If Japan was such an "inferior opponent" then how did they beat two other respected opponents? This is a perfect example why I do not visit this website much any more because some of you are such smarta$$es. This website is not nearly the place it used to be. The thing is I didn't question your soccer knowledge because you disagree with me, but apparently you have to question my soccer knowledge. Start acting like a moderator and treat posters with some sense of respect. If you want to remove me then it is your call, but think about how you respond to posters as a moderator in the future.
 
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volball625 said:
Agreed. The dude knows nothing about soccer. Nothing. Japan played like ****. One goal came off a stupid clearance and the other was some flukey deflection. They had zero chances that truly challenged Solo.
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Well, maybe you need to coach the US Women's team then?
 
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#685
volball625 said:
Agreed. The dude knows nothing about soccer. Nothing. Japan played like ****. One goal came off a stupid clearance and the other was some flukey deflection. They had zero chances that truly challenged Solo.
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And for you, no one had to challenge Solo, she did it herself.
 
#686
#686
secfanclub said:
As a moderator, it is not your job to assess my soccer knowledge. How did you become a moderator? As far as my knowledge, I was a coach at the high school level for seven years if you must really know. I don't claim to be such an expert, but I do know soccer. If Japan was such an "inferior opponent" then how did they beat two other respected opponents? This is a perfect example why I do not visit this website much any more because some of you are such smarta$$es. This website is not nearly the place it used to be. The thing is I didn't question your soccer knowledge because you disagree with me, but apparently you have to question my soccer knowledge. Start acting like a moderator and treat posters with some sense of respect. If you want to remove me then it is your call, but think about how you respond to posters as a moderator in the future.
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as a mod it's not my responsibility to make you feel all warm and fuzzy. Sorry but if you don't want people to disagree with you. What I posted is a legit critique of your posts in this thread. If you were a coach then what would be your reaction to a player that "cleared" the ball to their own six?

if you honestly saw a well-matched game on Sunday then I really don't know what to say. The US created numerous scoring chances and they would not have been touched by their keeper if they had put them on frame. The Japanese team only got scoring chances because the defense for the US had their heads up their rears and played scared in the final minutes of reg and OT. The offense not being able to finish and ridiculous mistakes on D had more to do with the loss than the skill of the Japanese team

secfanclub said:
And for you, no one had to challenge Solo, she did it herself.
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what did Solo do wrong besides what I pointed out earlier?
 
#688
#688
utvolpj said:
as a mod it's not my responsibility to make you feel all warm and fuzzy. Sorry but if you don't want people to disagree with you. What I posted is a legit critique of your posts in this thread. If you were a coach then what would be your reaction to a player that "cleared" the ball to their own six?

if you honestly saw a well-matched game on Sunday then I really don't know what to say. The US created numerous scoring chances and they would not have been touched by their keeper if they had put them on frame. The Japanese team only got scoring chances because the defense for the US had their heads up their rears and played scared in the final minutes of reg and OT. The offense not being able to finish and ridiculous mistakes on D had more to do with the loss than the skill of the Japanese team



what did Solo do wrong besides what I pointed out earlier?
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I didn't say once that it was a well-matched game. I said the Japanese played very well and the Americans played well with ball possession, but just couldn't finish their attacks. Do not put words in my mouth. If you will take the time and read my early posts the point I was making is that you can blame everything on our girls for everything, but the Japanese did do some positive things that led to their victory. They gave the Germans and the Swedes all they could handle. I believe in giving some credit for the other team even if our girls were running into one another and taking each other out of play. One thing I have noticed with many posters is they want to blame our own players for losses and rarely give credit to the other team. Whether it is football, basketball or what ever the same thing happens time and time again. The Japanese are a very skilled team. Everything you try to teach players to do, the Japanese were doing much of the game. They made mistakes too but overall their strategy worked. The Americans have a physical advantage of height and in many instances speed. Take a look at how short the Japanese goalkeeper was and yet she made some fabulous saves. As far as warm and fuzzy, I have no requirement for that, but I do expect you as a moderator to respect others opinions without challenging their knowledge of the game. At my age, I have no need to feel superior to anyone. I have an opinion and I express it. I don't feel a need to put someone down by questioning their knowledge. As I mentioned in the previous post, I did not question your knowledge of the game. As far the clearing of the ball to your own 6, it is called a mistake and those are going to happen on every team. If you will reread my posts from the beginning, my stance has been the same and I have not deviated from it. Clearly, the Americans had good ball possession and they dominated most of the game, but they could not finish their attacks with goals. They made terrible mistakes on defense as did the Japanese. That doesn't take away anything from the Japanese because they played their strategy very well which kept them in the game till the end. I do not see where the Japanese played like $*** as one poster put it. If they played that badly then they wouldn't have had a chance of winning. Any team can have 50 shots on goal and still lose to a team that may have had only one shot on goal. It is rare but it does happen.
 
#689
#689
Paragraph much? Didn't read that mess but the US lost for one reason - blown chances on shots that you HAVE to make, and they were numerous.
 
#690
#690
Wilbon and Cowlishaw were saying it's possible an MLS team will pick up Hope Solo. I highly doubt it. They talked about it like she could actually play with them. No f-ing way.
 
#692
#692
secfanclub said:
I hope there is an attempt to get more respectable people on here to make this the website it used to be.
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the last recruiting drive gave us gsvol and utgibbs and cost us OrangeEmpire and FineVol, so keep on wishing...
 
#693
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MG1968 said:
the last recruiting drive gave us gsvol and utgibbs and cost us OrangeEmpire and FineVol, so keep on wishing...
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The quality of replacements is ever lower as time goes on. Its akin to the Germans arming the pre-pubescent and the elderly before the red army.
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#697
#697
secfanclub said:
And for you, no one had to challenge Solo, she did it herself.
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I'll ask again, what did Solo do wrong besides what I've already mentioned?

secfanclub said:
Take a look at how short the Japanese goalkeeper was and yet she made some fabulous saves.
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I saw one above average save and it only looked like that because of her height. The PK saves were not great and one was simply a good bounce off her leg
 
#698
#698
nbakerld said:
Wilbon and Cowlishaw were saying it's possible an MLS team will pick up Hope Solo. I highly doubt it. They talked about it like she could actually play with them. No f-ing way.
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maybe for marketing but she too small and not strong enough to battle with the guys. Plus her kicks are not even close to that level

best keeper I ever played with was about 5'8" but the guy could fly. He was 2-time all state in TN and didn't get but a couple offers from smaller schools. If he had my size he would have been an all-american
 
#699
#699
utvolpj said:
I'll ask again, what did Solo do wrong besides what I've already mentioned?



I saw one above average save and it only looked like that because of her height. The PK saves were not great and one was simply a good bounce off her leg
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If you are going to concentrate on the one statement on Solo and not recognize tho other things I have stated then you are grabbing at straws. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I haven't been the only poster to make a comment on Solo. Where was your inquiry about them? Overall, Solo did a nice job, but like some players she did not communicate with her back line because many times they were out of position. I saw a couple of good saves by the Japanese goal keeper. Did you watch the same game?
 
#700
#700
of course I'm going to point it out because it was wrong. I was the one who said she didn't control her back line well but other than that didn't really have any mistakes.

the one the Japanese keeper touched over the bar was a nice save but was made much more difficult because of her height. There was not really anything else that stood out and she was beaten multiple times (including once near post which should not happen) only to have the shot go off the post
 
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