Workers are applying for jobs left and right, but hearing nothing back

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volfanhill said:
The pendulum will swing the other way. Right now it heavily favors the employee. When the next recession hits it will swing hard back to employers. And those who got massive raises won't keep them IMO. They will be forced to do more, have wages reduced, or told to take a hike. People pretending like this is some monumental shift in the employer employee relationship are clueless. Just look back fo 2008. I remember interviewing former Saturn line workers, who were making $30 an hour, and offering them $10 to work for me. It's the way the market works.
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Good post. When I was in Houston during the oil collapse, the owner told me he was getting applications from oil field workers to be service techs. These were HS grads who made 6 figures in the oil industry. They never hired them as the owners knew when oil wages went back up they would flee.

Saw it earlier in like 1990 during the recession, when I started my career as a fresh graduate at $16K right out of college. The Office Manager told me people that applied were used to getting 2-3 times amount and no way would they hire someone that would take such a personal paycut and be long term as things returned to normal.

The great thing about it is the market always balances, but this artificial assistance is creating current and future havoc.
 
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Vol423 said:
I'm telling you the way the world works. It's not my job to coddle you.
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Didn't say it was. Simply said companies should treat their employees with more respect. Especially the workers who are the backbone of the company. That is all. Nothing socialist about it.

But you guys sure did stoop to the level that Dems do this afternoon and evening. Hope you realize that.
 
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allvol123 said:
No the person in shipping isn’t as valuable as anyone else, hence the lower pay than the shipping supervisor, logistics manager, plant manager, president, etc.

That literally is what the pay represents, the value of the position.
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So your other employees are underpaid then?

I know what you are saying, but in todays climate, the pay needs to reflect what the market is asking for. And that means that is wage inflation across the board. Sorry...
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
And I told you, it's a food hall. There's no average ticket because there are 13 different vendors.

The bar itself is independent from the rest of it. Those are pretty standard prices for drinks if you've been out from under a rock in the past 5 years.
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So you don't know what the average price is. Thanks.

It sounds like you just have a lot of walk up customers. No problem. Just trying to figure out how you can justify the pay you were offering. Because as it sounds like, it is not the usual set up like most restaurants. You have a unique situation going on.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem is the VERY LARGE percentage of the no vaccine crowd that turn it down to feel a sense of solidarity with the anti science, pro Trump it's all a hoax, screw anything the government says, mindset.

A genuine fear of the medicine, which I maintain is tiny relatively speaking, is fine. But the above are not valid reasons to be both anti vax AND proud of it.
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Just how many vaccine hesitant blacks and Hispanics do you think are doing this in support of Donald Trump? You sound stupid right now.
 
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Vol423 said:
Are they "as valuable" as a person? Absolutely. Do they have the same value to the company as anyone else? No. That's the entire reason that different positions receive different pay.
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And you totally missed the point he was making.
 
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Vol423 said:
Hmmm....so you believe that a janitor has the same value to a company as a Vice President of Marketing or a Director of Supply Chain?
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That janitor should not be paid the same as a CEO. But that janitor probably has more impact on a customer than a CEO. If you have a dirty establishment, what does that do to sales?

I cannot believe we have to have such an elementary discussion about the value of each worker. No one is saying that a janitor should be paid the same as the owner/proprietor or a regional manager.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I'm not a Biden or Dem supporter at all. I've stated this numerous times.

Amazing how many people on here see certain people as beneath them.
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It is amazing how triggered some on the right side of the aisle can get when you start talking about a slight increase for labor. These guys really did get apoplectic about simply considering bumping the stating pay up more... (which I realize would force wages higher for their other employees, also... ).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is amazing how triggered some on the right side of the aisle can get when you start talking about a slight increase for labor. These guys really did get apoplectic about simply considering bumping the stating pay up more... (which I realize would force wages higher for their other employees, also... ).
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Intelligent fiscal management of your company is not a right or left thing and didn’t see anyone going apoplectic.
 
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ButchPlz said:
This is a strawman argument, and a bad one at that.

Not one person in here has said anyone is beneath them. It is a simple reality, however, that certain jobs and positions are less valuable than others.
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That wasn't necessarily the point he was making. You are ready far too deeply into what he was saying. He wasn't saying that the janitor deserves to get paid the same as the damn owner or CEO. He was simply saying that if the job is critical, then reconsider the starting pay to attract more people. That is all the f*** he was saying.
 
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allvol123 said:
I’ve not seen anyone in this discussion demean working class people.
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All he suggested was offer a higher starting salary and this entire thread went hysterical and framed it like the guy was saying the janitor needs to be paid as much as the CEO.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Then maybe stop saying some jobs are less valuable than others.

In the whole cycle of the operations of a company every job has its importance.

Take FedEx for example. They cannot operate without their warehouse workers or their drivers. Yet the CEO of the company makes more than any driver or warehouse worker dreams of making. Do you really want to make the claim that the CEO of FedEx is more important than the drivers and warehouse workers who are part of the backbone of the company? Who are big part of the reason the company is able to operate daily.
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Adam Smith wouldn't even argue the point these people are making. They are triggered at the idea of maybe scraping off a few more crumbs for the janitor.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Didn't say it was. Simply said companies should treat their employees with more respect. Especially the workers who are the backbone of the company. That is all. Nothing socialist about it.

But you guys sure did stoop to the level that Dems do this afternoon and evening. Hope you realize that.
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The fact that many of these guys are lining up with @AshG says a lot. They took what you suggested and ran it to somewhere else entirely. WOW...
 
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allvol123 said:
Intelligent fiscal management of your company is not a right or left thing and didn’t see anyone going apoplectic.
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They are calling the guy a socialist for simply suggesting that the starting pay may need to be bumped up for some job vacancies.
 
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allvol123 said:
It appears you did, he quite literally said all employees have the same value.
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He did say that, but you took it to mean that they should get the same pay. That is not the point he was making.

I can't believe you can't see the nuisance in his comment.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Adam Smith wouldn't even argue the point these people are making. They are triggered at the idea of maybe scraping off a few more crumbs for the janitor.
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Markets dictate pay. The janitor doesn't deserve anymore crumbs then the CEO. The board sets the CEO's salary. The CEO hires people to set the janitors. In many startups the CEO is the janitor. The market will work it out. It's always a pendulum. Right now it's in the employees side.
 
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allvol123 said:
I hope you are drunk or high.
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You all are not representing conservatives well right now. If you need a janitor and $12/he isn't attracting any applicants, then a simple suggestion of bumping the pay shouldn't deserve socialist cries or pats on the back from the likes of @AshG...
 
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