Workers are applying for jobs left and right, but hearing nothing back

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Rasputin_Vol said:
You all are not representing conservatives well right now. If you need a janitor and $12/he isn't attracting any applicants, then a simple suggestion of bumping the pay shouldn't deserve socialist cries or pats on the back from the likes of @AshG...
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I’m not representing any political views right now nor have I discussed any hypothetical person’s hypothetical pay.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I am not disagreeing with you there.

But maybe if the pay was higher for that position then it might attract higher quality candidates. Then there might not be so many no shows. Just my opinion.
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This is all the guy said. And you all went ballistic...
 
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DonjoVol said:
I agree. It takes a one minute call to cancel.
However, the person working in shipping is just as valuable to the organization as anyone else is. If the pay is less than 30K a year based on a 40 hour work week in 2021 then that's a problem. We are approaching 2022. Pay should be respectable and should allow someone to make a decent living. Well Pay raises and performance bonuses should be in line with the rest of the company.

I think that's more than fair.
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No. This is what the guy said, and he said it over and over again. Every employee is just as valuable to an organization as every other employee. He acknowledges that employee pay can be different, but then wants to argue this fuzzy, liberal feel-good statement that they are all of equal value to the company. That is pure fantasyland. Employees’ value to a company are not equal, and they are measured by total compensation. That is a fact no matter how badly liberals want everybody to be equal in every way, shape and form. If any employee or potential employee thinks he is undervalued by a company, then he can argue for a compensation adjustment or try to work somewhere else. Maybe he or she will come out ahead. Maybe he won’t. Nevertheless, every employee is not equally valuable to a company.
 
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Vol423 said:
No. This is what the guy said, and he said it over and over again. Every employee is just as valuable to an organization as every other employee. He acknowledges that employee pay can be different, but then wants to argue this fuzzy, liberal feel-good statement that they are all of equal value to the company. That is pure fantasyland. Employees’ value to a company are not equal, and they are measured by total compensation. That is a fact no matter how badly liberals want everybody to be equal in every way, shape and form. If any employee or potential employee thinks he is undervalued by a company, then he can argue for a compensation adjustment or try to work somewhere else. Maybe he or she will come out ahead. Maybe he won’t. Nevertheless, every employee is not equally valuable to a company.
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And what he said wasn't outrageous or socialist.

However, the person working in shipping is just as valuable to the organization as anyone else is. If the pay is less than 30K a year based on a 40 hour work week in 2021 then that's a problem. We are approaching 2022. Pay should be respectable and should allow someone to make a decent living. Well Pay raises and performance bonuses should be in line with the rest of the company.
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Damn, he didn't say anywhere in there that the janitor should make the same as a CEO. But he did say that they have the same value. A janitor can have as much positive or negative influence on your business as the owner. That doesn't mean they deserve the same pay.

For some of you simpletons not to understand that nuisance is amazing to me.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And what he said wasn't outrageous or socialist.



Damn, he didn't say anywhere in there that the janitor should make the same as a CEO. But he did say that they have the same value. A janitor can have as much positive or negative influence on your business as the owner. That doesn't mean they deserve the same pay.

For some of you simpletons not to understand that nuisance is amazing to me.
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Employees are all equally valuable as human beings, but value to a company is measured in total compensation. That fact doesn’t change no matter how much you liberals want to argue it or twist your language to try to make it so.
 
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Now, since all employees are equally valuable to a company, I’m off to find the perfect janitor or waiter to take the Director of Marketing position at janitor/waiter comp levels.
 
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Vol423 said:
Employees are all equally valuable as human beings, but value to a company is measured in total compensation. That fact doesn’t change no matter how much you liberals want to argue it or twist your language to try to make it so.
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WOW...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Basically just killed the restaurant industry. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a tremendous pull back after the next crash. Going out to dinner will be left to those that can afford to go to high end restaurants that can pay $18-20/hr for dishwashers.
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Chicago Pizzeria Forced To Close Due To Labor Shortage | ZeroHedge

In addition to not having enough staff, Bonomi said that applicants for jobs weren't showing up to scheduled interviews. He attributes the no-shows to restaurants having a toxic reputation as places to work due to harassment from customers and low pay.

Some of Coalfire's staff had already left for higher paying jobs at larger restaurant chains. Coalfire increased its starting salary for cooks to $18 per hour from $15 per hour in response.
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I can’t believe I’m wading into this…

The total job attributes determine the pay for the position. Education, training, experience, risk even. The cost of acquiring those attributes drives down the available pool of potential employees. The basic wage for a position is inversely proportional to the number of qualified candidates to fill that position. And the market determines what that wage is at any point in time.

That’s it. That’s literally all there is to it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I can’t believe I’m wading into this…

The total job attributes determine the pay for the position. Education, training, experience, risk even. The cost of acquiring those attributes drives down the available pool of potential employees. The basic wage for a position is inversely proportional to the number of qualified candidates to fill that position. And the market determines what that wage is at any point in time.

That’s it. That’s literally all there is to it.
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None of what you said can be argued against by anyone with common sense. But all that guy said was maybe they should bump the starting pay up for the position that they were trying to get applicants for and the entire world came crashing down on him and called him a socialist.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
None of what you said can be argued against by anyone with common sense. But all that guy said was maybe they should bump the starting pay up for the position that they were trying to get applicants for and the entire world came crashing down on him and called him a socialist.
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You’re arguing a TOTALLY different point than the rest of us are, but you’re too obstinate to realize it. If you look back through all of my posts and all of the other posts of several other individuals in this thread, you will see that we are making one and only one point. All employees are NOT valued equally by companies. Their relative values are assigned via total compensation based on NothDallas40’s radical economic theories of supply and demand.

I and the few other guys that you are responding to have not commented on bumping starting pay to get more potential applicants. If you aren’t getting qualified applicants at a given wage rate, that is basic common sense if using alternative recruiting techniques still can’t deliver qualified applicants. That and the increased government welfare state is also what is leading to the huge increases in inflation in labor rates. Employers are being forced to raise pay rates because the current administration is eager to pay exorbitant amounts to incentivize individuals not to work. Now, they’re going to partially counteract those policies by increasing the available labor pool by firing employees that refuse to be vaccinated. They also continue their no border policies which increase the labor pool and the number of government handout recipients.
 
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Vol423 said:
You’re arguing a TOTALLY different point than the rest of us are, but you’re too obstinate to realize it. If you look back through all of my posts and all of the other posts of several other individuals in this thread, you will see that we are making one and only one point. All employees are NOT valued equally by companies. Their relative values are assigned via total compensation based on NothDallas40’s radical economic theories of supply and demand.
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Exactly. You took what he said and his replies and spun it into something totally different than what his original point was.
 
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Vol423 said:
I and the few other guys that you are responding to have not commented on bumping starting pay to get more potential applicants. If you aren’t getting qualified applicants at a given wage rate, that is basic common sense if using alternative recruiting techniques still can’t deliver qualified applicants. That and the increased government welfare state is also what is leading to the huge increases in inflation in labor rates. Employers are being forced to raise pay rates because the current administration is eager to pay exorbitant amounts to incentivize individuals not to work. Now, they’re going to partially counteract those policies by increasing the available labor pool by firing employees that refuse to be vaccinated. They also continue their no border policies which increase the labor pool and the number of government handout recipients.
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Again, you are correct. That was not the point he was making.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Exactly. You took what he said and his replies and spun it into something totally different than what his original point was.
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Assuming him and some others work, I would challenge them to share the same opinions that they shared on here with their companies and fellow co-workers Monday morning when they arrive to work.

Some of these opinions that were shared make me even more thankful that I am self employed now.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Assuming him and some others work, I would challenge them to share the same opinions that they shared on here with their companies and fellow co-workers Monday morning when they arrive to work.

Some of these opinions that were shared make me even more thankful that I am self employed now.
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I don’t disagree that low level employees like janitors and kitchen staff workers are woefully underpaid. They should be paid more, however I also understand why that hasn’t always been the case but that doesn’t mean it is right. Those types of positions have generally gone to teenagers or low skilled workers and businesses can pay them less because they are easily replaceable due to immigration, people with criminal records, high school students, drop outs, etc. Unfortunately, some of those positions have been filled by hard working individuals who have had hard lives not as a result of their own making who do work very hard and are greatly under appreciated. They deserve more than the crumbs they are given and I would hope a supervisor or owner would recognize that and adjust their pay accordingly. I don’t think you can paint every low skill position similar to those with the same broad brush and demand a living wage because some of those positions aren’t full time or are reserved for part time workers looking for a handful of hours a week. There is no doubt that many positions like bus drivers, janitorial staff, cafeteria workers, substitute teachers, and secretaries are woefully underpaid while working very hard under difficult circumstances.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I don’t disagree that low level employees like janitors and kitchen staff workers are woefully underpaid. They should be paid more, however I also understand why that hasn’t always been the case but that doesn’t mean it is right. Those types of positions have generally gone to teenagers or low skilled workers and businesses can pay them less because they are easily replaceable due to immigration, people with criminal records, high school students, drop outs, etc. Unfortunately, some of those positions have been filled by hard working individuals who have had hard lives not as a result of their own making who do work very hard and are greatly under appreciated. They deserve more than the crumbs they are given and I would hope a supervisor or owner would recognize that and adjust their pay accordingly. I don’t think you can paint every low skill position similar to those with the same broad brush and demand a living wage because some of those positions aren’t full time or are reserved for part time workers looking for a handful of hours a week. There is no doubt that many positions like bus drivers, janitorial staff, cafeteria workers, substitute teachers, and secretaries are woefully underpaid while working very hard under difficult circumstances.
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This is all the guy was saying.
 
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What I'd like to know is what are all these people walking away from their jobs because they feel they are underpaid doing for income? They don't want to work in restaurant? Ok. What are they doing instead. Because the open jobs aren't just limited to restaurant work. If these people are leaving their restaurant jobs we should see hiring booms in other employment sectors.

Are they playing the unemployment game? Is the govt still giving out larger than normal unemployment? The govt made themselves a competitor with business for employees. It looks to me like someone is using Covid to cause artificial wage increase. If unemployment/child benefit/ect is lucrative enough to cause people to not work, the govt is forcing companies to raise wages. Not because employees were getting screwed on pay. Because the govt has decided to pay them more to stay home than work.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Basically just killed the restaurant industry. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a tremendous pull back after the next crash. Going out to dinner will be left to those that can afford to go to high end restaurants that can pay $18-20/hr for dishwashers.
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I could see that industry transitioning more toward take out or food trucks. One of the things Covid helped me realize was how little I enjoyed the dine out experience. Typically marginal service at best, often crowded or uncomfortable and usually an obnoxious level of noise including the folks with crying children. Would much rather buy the prepared food and eat it at home. JMO
 
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walkenvol said:
I could see that industry transitioning more toward take out or food trucks. One of the things Covid helped me realize was how little I enjoyed the dine out experience. Typically marginal service at best, often crowded or uncomfortable and usually an obnoxious level of noise including the folks with crying children. Would much rather buy the prepared food and eat it at home. JMO
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Food trucks are incredible experiences. You hit the nail on the head.
 
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walkenvol said:
I could see that industry transitioning more toward take out or food trucks. One of the things Covid helped me realize was how little I enjoyed the dine out experience. Typically marginal service at best, often crowded or uncomfortable and usually an obnoxious level of noise including the folks with crying children. Would much rather buy the prepared food and eat it at home. JMO
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Oh, you've done it now...

Parents With Little Screaming Kids
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Exactly. You took what he said and his replies and spun it into something totally different than what his original point was.
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No. I took exactly what he said over and over and over again. I correctly stated the fact that he was 100% wrong. Then, you came along later and, for some unknown reason, decided to use my posts to argue a totally different point that I had NEVER ONCE addressed because it was not a point with which I disagreed or even cared about.
 
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