Workers are applying for jobs left and right, but hearing nothing back

[DinkinFlicka]

No, you told me what the price of individual items were. I asked you what the average ticket price was. How much on average does a customer spend on each visit?

And I told you, it's a food hall. There's no average ticket because there are 13 different vendors.

The bar itself is independent from the rest of it. Those are pretty standard prices for drinks if you've been out from under a rock in the past 5 years.

 

[DonjoVol]

No the person in shipping isn’t as valuable as anyone else, hence the lower pay than the shipping supervisor, logistics manager, plant manager, president, etc.

That literally is what the pay represents, the value of the position.

Yes that person is just as valuable as everyone else in the organization.

And I never said the pay should be the same as others up the chain. I say pay raises and performance bonuses should be along the same lines. And in 2022 starting pay should be more than it was even 2 to 3 years ago.

For example. If management is getting a 5% pay increase then everyone else in the organization should get a 5% increase in pay as well. Especially if they are doing their job effectively and efficiently, showing up on time, etc. Nothing controversial about that and most companies can afford it.

 

[landscapingvol]

I am not disagreeing with you there.

But maybe if the pay was higher for that position then it might attract higher quality candidates. Then there might not be so many no shows. Just my opinion.

I don't think it has as much to do with pay and benefits as not fitting what many applicants are hoping to find. The pandemic showed that many jobs could be performed at home whether that is a good thing or not is yet to be determined. It probably isn't for some people. Many are simply looking for the most ideal/perfect circumstances and unfortunately they are finding out they don't exist or aren't qualified for them.

 

[DonjoVol]

Plus

I don't think it has as much to do with pay and benefits as not fitting what many applicants are hoping to find. The pandemic showed that many jobs could be performed at home whether that is a good thing or not is yet to be determined. It probably isn't for some people. Many are simply looking for the most ideal/perfect circumstances and unfortunately they are finding out they don't exist or aren't qualified for them.

Yeah but jobs like shipping and jobs in restaurants can't be performed at home.

Go ask any restaurant manager whose store is under staffed how important crew members are. Bet many of them wish they had more. Crew members are just as valuable to a restaurant as the manager and anyone working in corporate is.

 

[allvol123]

Yes that person is just as valuable as everyone else in the organization.
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No. The pay represents their value in the organization.

 

[DonjoVol]

No. The pay represents their value in the organization.

Okay. And if companies are still paying low starting salaries for certain positions then they have nobody to blame but themselves if they have trouble filling them.

 

[landscapingvol]

Plus

Yeah but jobs like shipping and jobs in restaurants can't be performed at home.

Go ask any restaurant manager whose store is under staffed how important crew members are. Bet many of them wish they had more. Crew members are just as valuable to a restaurant as the manager and anyone working in corporate is.

I don't disagree but most jobs in restaurants have terrible pay and work weekends. It's a very difficult industry to work in

 

[ButchPlz]

Okay. And if companies are still paying low starting salaries for certain positions then they have nobody to blame but themselves if they have trouble filling them.

This is the take of a simpleton.

It's hard to outpay the artificial circumstances the federal and state governments have created. Think:
1) there are virtually endless unemployment benefits,
2) free rent (due to insane moratoriums on evictions),
3) stimuli for anyone with kids, and the prior stimuli,
4) forbearance on student loans, and
5) continuing profit and revenue impacts from the shutdowns.

These are what I can think of off of the top my head. What you're implying is that the people that put the most risk into the business and cannot just walk away from it should suck it up and pay more (and likely lose money) as a result of idiotic actions taken by elected officials. It's economically illiterate. The ones that are trying to pay more aren't going to be able to sustain forever, or they'll have to increase their prices to an unsustainable amount.

 

[DonjoVol]

I don't disagree but most jobs in restaurants have terrible pay and work weekends. It's a very difficult industry to work in

Not really all of them. Chik Fil A started paying their employees more than other restaurants a few years ago. It has paid off as most of them are busy and plus the staff is usually very friendly when you go there.

The pay at most restaurants now is slowly getting better. However, many people are still not wanting to work in restaurants. So we should all be thankful for the ones who are.

 

[lawgator1]

There is a reasoning behind this. We've already seen you turn "two weeks to flatten the curve" into 20+ months of mandates.

Please. They didn't refuse the vaccine and wear clothing bragging about that because of changes in flatten the curve or thoughts on the virus as it has evolved.

There are SOME people who genuinely fear the medicine. Ok. I think they are foolish but ok I get it.

The problem is the VERY LARGE percentage of the no vaccine crowd that turn it down to feel a sense of solidarity with the anti science, pro Trump it's all a hoax, screw anything the government says, mindset.

A genuine fear of the medicine, which I maintain is tiny relatively speaking, is fine. But the above are not valid reasons to be both anti vax AND proud of it.

 

[Vol423]

Yes that person is just as valuable as everyone else in the organization.

And I never said the pay should be the same as others up the chain. I say pay raises and performance bonuses should be along the same lines. And in 2022 starting pay should be more than it was even 2 to 3 years ago.

For example. If management is getting a 5% pay increase then everyone else in the organization should get a 5% increase in pay as well. Especially if they are doing their job effectively and efficiently, showing up on time, etc. Nothing controversial about that and most companies can afford it.

Are they "as valuable" as a person? Absolutely. Do they have the same value to the company as anyone else? No. That's the entire reason that different positions receive different pay.

 

[DonjoVol]

Are they "as valuable" as a person? Absolutely. Do they have the same value to the company as anyone else? No. That's the entire reason that different positions receive different pay.

Yes they do have the same value. Therefore the reason they are hired in the first place.

 

[Vol423]

For example. If management is getting a 5% pay increase then everyone else in the organization should get a 5% increase in pay as well. Especially if they are doing their job effectively and efficiently, showing up on time, etc. Nothing controversial about that and most companies can afford it.

...and that is not how raises and bonuses are done in companies either. Actual quality of job performance comes into play when determining the amount of raises and bonuses, and more senior level employees generally receive higher percentage bonuses.

 

[Vol423]

Yes they do have the same value. Therefore the reason they are hired in the first place.

You are clueless.

 

[Vol423]

Yes they do have the same value. Therefore the reason they are hired in the first place.

Hmmm....so you believe that a janitor has the same value to a company as a Vice President of Marketing or a Director of Supply Chain?

 

[Orangeburst]

This is the take of a simpleton.

It's hard to outpay the artificial circumstances the federal and state governments have created. Think:
1) there are virtually endless unemployment benefits,
2) free rent (due to insane moratoriums on evictions),
3) stimuli for anyone with kids, and the prior stimuli,
4) forbearance on student loans, and
5) continuing profit and revenue impacts from the shutdowns.

These are what I can think of off of the top my head. What you're implying is that the people that put the most risk into the business and cannot just walk away from it should suck it up and pay more (and likely lose money) as a result of idiotic actions taken by elected officials. It's economically illiterate. The ones that are trying to pay more aren't going to be able to sustain forever, or they'll have to increase their prices to an unsustainable amount.

Was at a gypsum plant this week. PM told me he is short 2-3 maintenance guys. Gets lots of applicants that say they "can change oiul in their car", when he really needs mechanics and electrical experience. Says the experieinced are at $40-$50 hour and said he cant afford that.

I mean we have only scratched the surface for what is about to happen. The Dems are loving this artificial wage inflation but it is wrecking havoc.

 

[DonjoVol]

Hmmm....so you believe that a janitor has the same value to a company as a Vice President of Marketing or a Director of Supply Chain?

Yes. Why not? That janitor might have a family and others they are taking care of as well. If the janitor's job is not that important then why hire that person in the first place?

I'm not saying their salary should be the same. But a little better starting pay for the janitor and pay raises over the years in order to retain that janitor shouldn't be out of the question.

 

[DonjoVol]

Was at a gypsum plant this week. PM told me he is short 2-3 maintenance guys. Gets lots of applicants that say they "can change oiul in their car", when he really needs mechanics and electrical experience. Says the experieinced are at $40-$50 hour and said he cant afford that.

I mean we have only scratched the surface for what is about to happen. The Dems are loving this artificial wage inflation but it is wrecking havoc.

Actually. I thought one reason for Trump's tax cuts were that companies would pay less taxes which in turn meant employees were paid more. Some companies still didn't pay employees more. Especially the ones they consider at the bottom of the ladder.

So you are saying the experienced mechanics are asking for more money? If the work needs to be done then pay them. It's that simple.

Also many restaurants and manufacturing plants, for example, are starting their employees out at higher wages now. Which leads me to believe they could have done so 3 or 4 years. Instead they wait for a crisis to happen to realize they need to pay workers more money.

 

[Grand Vol]

I know there's hiring problems, but this is ridiculous...

 

[ButchPlz]

Yes. Why not? That janitor might have a family and others they are taking care of as well. If the janitor's job is not that important then why hire that person in the first place?

I'm not saying their salary should be the same. But a little better starting pay for the janitor and pay raises over the years in order to retain that janitor shouldn't be out of the question.

We now have our answer about how a literally mentally unfit clown that can't hold his waste in got elected president.

 

[DonjoVol]

I know there's hiring problems, but this is ridiculous...

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Probably someone in training learning how to drive the bus. Doubtful it's an actual student.

 

[DonjoVol]

We now have our answer about how a literally mentally unfit clown that can't hold his waste in got elected president.

I'm not a Biden or Dem supporter at all. I've stated this numerous times.

Amazing how many people on here see certain people as beneath them.

 

[Orangeburst]

Actually. I thought one reason for Trump's tax cuts were that companies would pay less taxes which in turn meant employees were paid more. Some companies still didn't pay employees more. Especially the ones they consider at the bottom of the ladder.

So you are saying the experienced mechanics are asking for more money? If the work needs to be done then pay them. It's that simple.

Also many restaurants and manufacturing plants, for example, are starting their employees out at higher wages now. Which leads me to believe they could have done so 3 or 4 years. Instead they wait for a crisis to happen to realize they need to pay workers more money.

Why do u keep harping on the pay? I said IDK and pointed out the lack of a courtesy phone call. These were face to face appointments, not applications

 

[ButchPlz]

Actually. I thought one reason for Trump's tax cuts were that companies would pay less taxes which in turn meant employees were paid more. Some companies still didn't pay employees more. Especially the ones they consider at the bottom of the ladder.

So you are saying the experienced mechanics are asking for more money? If the work needs to be done then pay them. It's that simple.

Also many restaurants and manufacturing plants, for example, are starting their employees out at higher wages now. Which leads me to believe they could have done so 3 or 4 years. Instead they wait for a crisis to happen to realize they need to pay workers more money.

Another economically illiterate take.

The government has created an artificial strain on supply. Demand still exists. What happens when demand outpaces supply?

Eventually, everything falls back to equilibrium. In this practical example- and example it is- you're eventually not going to be willing to pay $200 for an oil change, especially when combined with the fact that the more we keep up the crap (printing bills) the less your dollar is worth.

 

[ButchPlz]

I'm not a Biden or Dem supporter at all. I've stated this numerous times.

Amazing how many people on here see certain people as beneath them.

This is a strawman argument, and a bad one at that.

Not one person in here has said anyone is beneath them. It is a simple reality, however, that certain jobs and positions are less valuable than others.