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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm fully aware that government interference triggered all of this, but there is now some doubt in my mind that they were really being paid what the market could stand to pay.
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This demonstrates a complete lack of economic fundamentals.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That’s fine with me on the red. Right now I don’t think there is a right answer we’re all guessing. I just don’t see the government interference getting the weight it should in this discussion but that’s my own opinion.

On the bolded both parties agreed and the individual took the job. So what the employer “could pay” is moot. Based on what my employer is paying retirees to come back doing the same job they did before I know they could pay me more too. But… I’m already paid more than the prevailing wage I think for my job so it’s dumb for me to focus on a retiree’s gig. Good for them though.
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There is no doubt that govt interference definitely was a catalyst for all of this. I have not denied that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is no doubt that govt interference definitely was a catalyst for all of this. I have not denied that.
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We’re not far off Ras. It’s a good discussion and I’m not going to attack anybody. I just don’t agree on the valuation changing for the same job pre vs post COVID
 
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Vol423 said:
…and a very dangerous one that our younger generations are being brainwashed to believe is appropriate. It is economic nonsense.
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Just an opinion and an observation. Not rooted in fact, because I do not know. I'm just saying that there is always room for doubt.

I don't think what I'm saying is dangerous commie talk. I'm just saying that some of these lower wage jobs could have probably (probably) been paying a bit more even before govt intervention. Sorry if you consider that capitalism heresy.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We’re not far off Ras. It’s a good discussion and I’m not going to attack anybody. I just don’t agree on the valuation changing for the same job pre vs post COVID
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In many instances, I would say you are correct. Govt interference played a role.

But now we are here. And these employers have jobs that need to be filled. What do they do? Do they continue to grind along and still offer pre-COVID wages or do they do like they would do whenever anything else goes up in price (materials, energy, taxes, etc.) and just bare the cost of higher labor? They continue to operate with higher costs when it comes to govt intervention when it comes to energy, taxes and materials, but suddenly want to get alligator arms and b*tch/complain when it comes to a once in a generation spike in labor.

Hell, about the only thing we haven't seen inflate over the last 20 years is wages.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In many instances, I would say you are correct. Govt interference played a role.

But now we are here. And these employers have jobs that need to be filled. What do they do? Do they continue to grind along and still offer pre-COVID wages or do they do like they would do whenever anything else goes up in price (materials, energy, taxes, etc.) and just bare the cost of higher labor? They continue to operate with higher costs when it comes to govt intervention when it comes to energy, taxes and materials, but suddenly want to get alligator arms and b*tch/complain when it comes to a once in a generation spike in labor.
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I’m inclined to say they stand pat if they believe they are offering a fair wage for the job. This too like bad Mexican food and gas station sushi shall pass
 
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Vol423 said:
That actually explains a lot. You don't seem to understand how companies function.
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I understand how companies function perfectly fine. You are some real piece of work resorting to insults on here.

Assuming you are still working. Why don't you share the thoughts you shared on this forum on how you value employees Monday morning when you arrive to work. See how well that goes over.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In many instances, I would say you are correct. Govt interference played a role.

But now we are here. And these employers have jobs that need to be filled. What do they do? Do they continue to grind along and still offer pre-COVID wages or do they do like they would do whenever anything else goes up in price (materials, energy, taxes, etc.) and just bare the cost of higher labor? They continue to operate with higher costs when it comes to govt intervention when it comes to energy, taxes and materials, but suddenly want to get alligator arms and b*tch/complain when it comes to a once in a generation spike in labor.

Hell, about the only thing we haven't seen inflate over the last 20 years is wages.
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And here is the problem that everyone is arguing about but won't fess up to the actual reasons. We don't have a manufacturing base anymore and until we do wages will go down and down and down. We can't continually recycle money in places like Best Buy, Home Depot and Walmart and expect wages to go up, it's never going to happen. We need to make high value items in the US again. Buying weedeaters made in Mexico is fine, buying a new phone made in China isn't.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just an opinion and an observation. Not rooted in fact, because I do not know. I'm just saying that there is always room for doubt.

I don't think what I'm saying is dangerous commie talk. I'm just saying that some of these lower wage jobs could have probably (probably) been paying a bit more even before govt intervention. Sorry if you consider that capitalism heresy.
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That is a different concept than employees being “paid what the market could stand to pay”. Your comment in this post is fine. The prior comment was straight out of a socialist propaganda piece (although I actually doubt that was your real intention. I think you just mis-worded your statement).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Really?. He's self employed and you say he doesn't understand how companies function.
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All he has is insults at this point.

I simply stated pay should be more at this point for positions in shipping, janitorial, etc. People went off the deep end like you said. Rather unexpected to hear this behavior from self proclaimed conservatives.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I understand how companies function perfectly fine. You are some real piece of work resorting to insults on here.

Assuming you are still working. Why don't you share the thoughts you shared on this forum on how you value employees Monday morning when you arrive to work. See how well that goes over.
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I have stated repeatedly that companies‘ assessment of their employees’ relative value to the company are based on total compensation. They are not equally valued. The fact that you and several others find that simple ecconomic fact controversial is disturbing but not at all surprising. It illustrates the impact of the liberal indoctrination of the country’s youth through the incredibly deficient educational system.
 
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Vol423 said:
That is a different concept than employees being “paid what the market could stand to pay”. Your comment in this post is fine. The prior comment was straight out of a socialist propaganda piece (although I actually doubt that was your real intention. I think you just mis-worded your statement).
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If you are going to quote me, quote me in proper context.

Rasputin_Vol said:
We can agree to disagree on that slightly. I'm fully aware that government interference triggered all of this, but there is now some doubt in my mind that they were really being paid what the market could stand to pay.
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I was simply speculating and offering an opinion. I wasn't saying that every low wage worker needs to be making $20/hr. I'm just saying that there could be instances where people were being under paid.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So you don't know what the average price is. Thanks.

It sounds like you just have a lot of walk up customers. No problem. Just trying to figure out how you can justify the pay you were offering. Because as it sounds like, it is not the usual set up like most restaurants. You have a unique situation going on.
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I would have to go through each of our vendors' sales reports, average out number of items and ticket prices, look at the number of transactions, and guess my best to get you that number. I don't give enough of a **** about proving a point I already know to expend that much unpaid effort.

It's somewhat unique, but food halls like mine are popping up everywhere. Expect the norm to gravitate that direction over the next 5-10 years.

Personally, I think the triumvirate of Management Company->Venture Capitalist->food truck operator with great concept but little capital is kind of brilliant. I get to see the little guy have brick and mortar exposure without the immense overhead of building out. I get to see local businesses all highlighted in one place. I get to see staff well-taken care of in an industry notorious for not treating its workforce well.
 
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DonjoVol said:
All he has is insults at this point.

I simply stated pay should be more at this point for positions in shipping, janitorial, etc. People went off the deep end like you said. Rather unexpected to hear this behavior from self proclaimed conservatives.
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You even got the "I made $4/hr in 1975 and liked it" rant.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If you are going to quote me, quote me in proper context.



I was simply speculating and offering an opinion. I wasn't saying that every low wage worker needs to be making $20/hr. I'm just saying that there could be instances where people were being under paid.
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You seem to not understand the difference between saying someone may be underpaid versus saying that people should be “paid what the market could stand to pay.” Those are VERY different statements. If you don’t see the difference, just let me know and I’ll explain the problem of the latter statement. As I said previously, that statement has a meaning that I don’t think you really mean to convey. I have no issue with saying some people may be underpaid. I’m quite certain that is the case.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You even got the "I made $4/hr in 1975 and liked it" rant.
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I can't remember what I made at KFC when I was a teenager in the 90s. But it wasn't much more than that. That was even back when they were still making their biscuits fresh from scratch.
 
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Vol423 said:
You seem to not understand the difference between saying someone may be underpaid versus saying that people should be “paid what the market could stand to pay.” Those are VERY different statements. If you don’t see the difference, just let me know and I’ll explain the problem of the latter statement. As I said previously, that statement has a meaning that I don’t think you really mean to convey. I have no issue with saying some people may be underpaid. I’m quite certain that is the case.
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I actually have worked as restaurant manager in the past. So I have seen first hand employees being under paid. Seen many good employees come and go over the years. The main reason they left was pay. Also had some part timers who were working there as a second job. Most of them even stated they liked working there better than their full time job. However, the pay wasn't enough which was the reason they were only working there part time.

I quit working as a restaurant manager recently. Of course they waited until I put in my 2 weeks notice to offer a pay raise. Which means they could have done it before that. And yes I asked for one before that and the sales were up in our location alone 25% during the pandemic. So it was obvious they could have afforded to give the people that were still there a bump in pay.

By the way. The decision to increase employees pay is not done at the restaurant level. All we can do at that level was request it. The requests would go further up the chain and were usually denied or they would flat out tell us they weren't giving pay raises and do not bother asking. To me, that's not the mindset upper management and corporate should have if you want your restaurants to be successful.
 
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Ive skimmed through this thread.
My 2 cents on what the poster said is, Salaries differ due to the skill level of said job. A dishwasher has the lowest pay because their job takes the least amount of skill to perform. They also, in my experience have the fewest and least stressful amount of tasks to perform. They are also being paid for the knowledge needed to perform their task. A supervisor for ex needs much more experience, knowledge and skill to perform their daily tasks. Could a supervisor fill in as a dishwasher sure? Could a dishwasher fill in as a supervisor, most likely not.

Now, my other argument against higher starting wages is, lets say entry level for a job is $8 an hour. A company decides they need to start paying new employees $12 to attract a better pool of candidates. Now, what do you do with your employees that started 2-3 years ago and are making less than that? You bump up their pay to $12? You bump up their pay to whatever the margin is already between the pay scale of the 2 jobs? What if an employee comes to you and asks, instead of the pay per dollar bump, give me the same salary bump in percentage as you did to that other job, in the long run that could cost a lot more to the company. So for all those with the just pay more argument, what is your solution to not cause dissension with your other longer term employees?

Lastly, like some have said the bigger problem is an over inflated market bottom due to government interference. People are either wanting certainn benefits work from home or altered scheduled, or much more money than their skill level is actually worth based on their experience and knowledge of the job, company etc required to perform said task.
 
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