Worst President's First 100 Days in History

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lawgator1 said:
1) We will do so much in the first 100 days you won't believe it.

2) We've had the best first 100 days of any President, ever.

3) (four days later, mind you). That 100 day measure is stupid.

He embraced literally every position possible.

What is wrong with him ?
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Tried to do too much in too short a time period.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He probably had good intentions, then government kicked in.
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It was unrealistic, though I agree with what you are saying. It's easy to change policy or implement new changes in the private sector. In government? The wheels turn slow.

But overall, he was far too ambitious about his agenda. These things take time and I think it's something he's figuring out.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It was unrealistic, though I agree with what you are saying. It's easy to change policy or implement new changes in the private sector. In government? The wheels turn slow.

But overall, he was far too ambitious about his agenda. These things take time and I think it's something he's figuring out.
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I agree. I think he underestimated the bureaucracies and politics in Washington. I think he's been shocked that he hasn't gotten more support from his own party.
 
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luthervol said:
Scientist world wide are giving the first 100 days a thumbs down.
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I love science but scientists are so ignorant about politics and policy. Not defending Trump, just saying listen to them about science and tell them to stfu about policy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I love science but scientists are so ignorant about politics and policy. Not defending Trump, just saying listen to them about science and tell them to stfu about policy.
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I generally tolerate your libertarianism, but this is one of your low points.

I do support your "not defending Trump" qualifier, however.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I love science but scientists are so ignorant about politics and policy. Not defending Trump, just saying listen to them about science and tell them to stfu about policy.
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I trust that most have the ability to evaluate the probable effects of policy within their fields of expertise. If not them, then who?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He probably had good intentions, then government kicked in.
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Ummm...

Trump controls the Executive branch of the government.

Republicans control the Legislative branch of the government.

So you're blaming whom precisely?

Truth: Trump is responsible for his own failure, because his campaign platform was based largely on moronic / illegal / protectionist drivel. And our flawed political system that put this malignant narcissist baffoon in power is to blame.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It was unrealistic, though I agree with what you are saying. It's easy to change policy or implement new changes in the private sector. In government? The wheels turn slow.

But overall, he was far too ambitious about his agenda. These things take time and I think it's something he's figuring out.
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No. Trump is "figuring out" the following regarding his major "policies":

(1) Mexico ain't paying for no wall;
(2) The Judicial branch ain't approving his anti-Muslim EOs;
(3) The public would rather keep Obamacare than Trump's plan to kick 24 million people off healthcare.

Over time, the public is figuring out the following regarding Trump:

(1) He is an inept leader. His criticism of all things Obama and the government will not translate into actual change / leadership;
(2) He never had an actual "plan" to implement 90% of his campaign promises; and
(3) He will abandon / flip-flop on virtually all of his campaign promises.

By late 2018, all other things equal:

(1) Trump's approval rating will be in the toilet, and he will be a lame duck;
(2) The GOP will lose control of Congress; and
(3) We'll still debate how sick we all are of winning, winning, winning!
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Ummm...

Trump controls the Executive branch of the government.

Republicans control the Legislative branch of the government.

So you're blaming whom precisely?

Truth: Trump is responsible for his own failure, because his campaign platform was based largely on moronic / illegal / protectionist drivel. And our flawed political system that put this malignant narcissist baffoon in power is to blame.
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Where in my post did I say Republicans were not to blame or Democrats were? All of Congress are a bunch of criminals that are bought and paid for. The only thing he's gotten 100% support form the Republicans and little support from the Democrats has been Gorsuch. That was a mistake on the Dems side because he was very well qualified. The Republicans have blocked trump in many directions.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
No. Trump is "figuring out" the following regarding his major "policies":

(1) Mexico ain't paying for no wall;
(2) The Judicial branch ain't approving his anti-Muslim EOs;
(3) The public would rather keep Obamacare than Trump's plan to kick 24 million people off healthcare.

Over time, the public is figuring out the following regarding Trump:

(1) He is an inept leader. His criticism of all things Obama and the government will not translate into actual change / leadership;
(2) He never had an actual "plan" to implement 90% of his campaign promises; and
(3) He will abandon / flip-flop on virtually all of his campaign promises.

By late 2018, all other things equal:

(1) Trump's approval rating will be in the toilet, and he will be a lame duck;
(2) The GOP will lose control of Congress; and
(3) We'll still debate how sick we all are of winning, winning, winning!
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So you're saying he's Obama 2.0?
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
No. Trump is "figuring out" the following regarding his major "policies":

(1) Mexico ain't paying for no wall;
(2) The Judicial branch ain't approving his anti-Muslim EOs;
(3) The public would rather keep Obamacare than Trump's plan to kick 24 million people off healthcare.

Over time, the public is figuring out the following regarding Trump:

(1) He is an inept leader. His criticism of all things Obama and the government will not translate into actual change / leadership;
(2) He never had an actual "plan" to implement 90% of his campaign promises; and
(3) He will abandon / flip-flop on virtually all of his campaign promises.

By late 2018, all other things equal:

(1) Trump's approval rating will be in the toilet, and he will be a lame duck;
(2) The GOP will lose control of Congress; and
(3) We'll still debate how sick we all are of winning, winning, winning!
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You really are becoming VolProf Lite in your posting.

And I'm still waiting on your response to the gun control post. But if you don't, I knew you couldn't.
 
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Grand Vol said:
In other words, he caught the car.
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Wholly under appreciated post.

Imagine a political cartoon-

White House, Capitol Bldg, Washington Monument in the background.

A big loooong black shiny stretch limo with "Big Government" end to end along the side. Windows down with drunk Elephants and Donkeys hanging out the windows toasting each other with champaigne flutes and martini glasses.

There's a blur going round and round at the rear wheel. All you can see is the Trumpster's iconic orange hairdo and a shiest eatin grin.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You really are becoming VolProf Lite in your posting.

And I'm still waiting on your response to the gun control post. But if you don't, I knew you couldn't.
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VP, if you disagree with anything in my post, I encourage you to rebut. That's why I'm here... to learn and exchange views. I honestly appreciate what you had to say about gun control (see response), for example, and I do have mixed feelings on the issue. I'm not too old or hardheaded just yet to have my all my views set in stone.

You know my issues with Trump. That MFer grinds my gears like nobody. He's a complete and utter disaster, and it amazes me that his core supporters are seemingly either oblivious to his failure or -- ever worse -- actually, really supportive of the moronic positions he spouted during the campaign. Sadly, I think it's the latter. But, as VP and others have pointed out, this support will likely erode as the Donald abandons his voters for more centrist positions.

One key note: I've never blamed folks for voting for Trump, per se. The alternative was Hillary. I get that. The choices from my perspective were a rock and a hard place. I think the primary blame falls on both the GOP and Dem leaders who put these two ****tards forward as the "best" our country had to offer as candidates. To that I say, really? I mean... REALLY?!?

Hillary was under an FBI investigation, and was rift with baggage. Christ, she is so unlikable, and obviously just a meglomaniacal political junkie.

Trump... virtually nobody in the GOP leadership wanted him to be their candidate, yet when the opportunity came to choose any more moderate, reasonable candidate, they pussed out all in the sake of trying to win at all cost - regardless of the warping of traditional GOP values / positions.

IDK what the solution is or if there is one, but man, there has got to be a better way.
 
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volprof said:
I generally tolerate your libertarianism, but this is one of your low points.

I do support your "not defending Trump" qualifier, however.
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Science has nothing to do with how policy works. Did you watch Bill Nye's new special on global warming? Do you know what his solution was? "Vote." Wait, what? If I just vote for whatever climate change initiative that comes up, that'll fix things? Alrighty then.

Scientists don't mind using force. They don't necessarily care about cost and they don't even consider opportunity cost. They fought tooth and nail to remove cost/benefit analysis from justifying the EPA's actions. They definitely don't show any understanding for the law of unintended consequences, which is the explanation for the results of nearly every bad policy.
 
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luthervol said:
I trust that most have the ability to evaluate the probable effects of policy within their fields of expertise. If not them, then who?
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Policy doesn't work like a chemical equation. That's the problem. Just because somebody can tell you everything you need to know about science doesn't mean they know how to craft policy that will beneficially guide human behavior.
 
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Septic said:
Let's not kid ourselves, he didn't "do" anything. He was told who to pick.

A week before he nominated Gorsuch, he'd never heard that name in his life.

Trumps first 100 are a dismal failure about to be capped off by an inability to have a workable tax reform plan, as promised.

Say what you want about Obama, but he got s#it done. This uninformed, ill prepared blowhard's biggest accomplishment it seems was to read from a teleprompter to look presidential for a night. I suspect however, that him not taking to twitter like a scorned pre-pubescent schoolgirl will be viewed as a "win." i guess when you've hit rock bottom, the only way to go up

Obama did a lot to bury this country. I would agree.
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n_huffhines said:
Science has nothing to do with how policy works. Did you watch Bill Nye's new special on global warming? Do you know what his solution was? "Vote." Wait, what? If I just vote for whatever climate change initiative that comes up, that'll fix things? Alrighty then.

Scientists don't mind using force. They don't necessarily care about cost and they don't even consider opportunity cost. They fought tooth and nail to remove cost/benefit analysis from justifying the EPA's actions. They definitely don't show any understanding for the law of unintended consequences, which is the explanation for the results of nearly every bad policy.
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Science should dictate policy or at least policy should be based on science. It's when science is denied or ignored that people get concerned. We have a president that denied global warming and then blamed it on the Chinese once he could no longer completely deny its existence with a straight face.
 
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luthervol said:
Science should dictate policy or at least policy should be based on science. It's when science is denied or ignored that people get concerned. We have a president that denied global warming and then blamed it on the Chinese once he could no longer completely deny its existence with a straight face.
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Science like anything else can and is polluted with money. That is why theories without definitive proof must be viewed with a skeptical eye.
 
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