Worst President's First 100 Days in History

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Anyone who judges a president based off of 100 days in office is just an utter moron.
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This would normally be true except that in Trump's case he was very specific during the campaign about what would be accomplished during the first 100 days in office and to this point only his Supreme Court nomination has come through.

* Repeal and replace Obamacare? Nope. Not even with a Republican controlled House and Senate.

* The proposed travel ban couldn't pass muster in our court system. Even the revised version which doesn't include Iraq or visa holders has hit a snag. Nothing has changed as far as any vetting is concerned.

* As for the wall... there will be a fence eventually (the difference being you can see through a fence) but Mexico is not ever paying for it (even Mitch McConnell said so). While construction of the prototypes could start within a few weeks, it will be months, if not years before construction of the actual fence begins...and it is just a fence per the Department of Homeland Security because border patrol agents must be able to see through whatever structure is built.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This would normally be true except that in Trump's case he was very specific during the campaign about what would be accomplished during the first 100 days in office and to this point only his Supreme Court nomination has come through.

* Repeal and replace Obamacare? Nope. Not even with a Republican controlled House and Senate.

* The proposed travel ban couldn't pass muster in our court system. Even the revised version which doesn't include Iraq or visa holders has hit a snag. Nothing has changed as far as any vetting is concerned.

* As for the wall... there will be a fence eventually (the difference being you can see through a fence) but Mexico is not ever paying for it (even Mitch McConnell said so). While construction of the prototypes could start within a few weeks, it will be months, if not years before construction of the actual fence begins...and it is just a fence per the Department of Homeland Security because border patrol agents must be able to see through whatever structure is built.
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All presidents make dumb promises that they know they cannot keep. Trump is no different. Like I said, anyone who judges Trump on his first 100 days is a moron.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
All presidents make dumb promises that they know they cannot keep. Trump is no different. Like I said, anyone who judges Trump on his first 100 days is a moron.
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BowlBrother85 said:
This would normally be true except that in Trump's case he was very specific during the campaign about what would be accomplished during the first 100 days in office and to this point only his Supreme Court nomination has come through.

* Repeal and replace Obamacare? Nope. Not even with a Republican controlled House and Senate.

* The proposed travel ban couldn't pass muster in our court system. Even the revised version which doesn't include Iraq or visa holders has hit a snag. Nothing has changed as far as any vetting is concerned.

* As for the wall... there will be a fence eventually (the difference being you can see through a fence) but Mexico is not ever paying for it (even Mitch McConnell said so). While construction of the prototypes could start within a few weeks, it will be months, if not years before construction of the actual fence begins...and it is just a fence per the Department of Homeland Security because border patrol agents must be able to see through whatever structure is built.
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The last guy said he'd shut down a military base, signed and EO on day one to do it and it's still open.

Trump got off to a shaking start publicly but in terms of the number of groups and foreign leaders he's met with and how he handle his first international test I'd say he's doing fine. C+

Border action is up, pipeline is a go, lot's of things in motion.

Still not polished in how they communicate and still some positions to fill but by the looks of it Haley, Tillerson, Mattis are all great picks and doing quite well.
 
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volinbham said:
The last guy said he'd shut down a military base, signed and EO on day one to do it and it's still open.

Trump got off to a shaking start publicly but in terms of the number of groups and foreign leaders he's met with and how he handle his first international test I'd say he's doing fine. C+

Border action is up, pipeline is a go, lot's of things in motion.

Still not polished in how they communicate and still some positions to fill but by the looks of it Haley, Tillerson, Mattis are all great picks and doing quite well.
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Actually, you left out his best cabinet choice (McMaster) and I like Kelly as well... I have mixed feelings about Haley and Tillerson.

However, you still have to hold the Michael Flynn fiasco against him... although you can argue that he redeemed himself with HR... Have a nice time in Singapore KT!
 
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That china should be "punished" for devaluing its currency..

"And while Mr. Trump at first resisted — as late as this month calling the Chinese “world champions” of currency manipulation — after many talks like the one in February

[He reversed himself, declaring this week that “they’re not currency manipulators” after all.

He discovered that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia may not be the “best friend”

He acknowledged that 10 minutes of listening to China’s president made him realize he did not fully understand the complexity of North Korea.

He dropped his opposition to the Export-Import Bank after learning more about it.

He said he no longer thought NATO was “obsolete.”

“Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated,” he said with amazement. Nobody except anyone who had spent any time in Washington policy making. But for Mr. Trump, never much of a policy wonk, it was an eye opener.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/us/politics/export-import-bank-janet-yellen-china-currency.html

President Trump made three startling economic policy reversals on Wednesday, stepping away from pledges he made as a candidate and even policies he supported only days ago.

The shifts confounded many of Mr. Trump’s supporters and suggested that the moderate financiers he brought from Wall Street are eclipsing the White House populist wing led by Stephen K. Bannon, the political strategist who is increasingly being sidelined by the president.



What did we vote for?---where are all these populist-protectionists.......Globalism Baby-----Corporatocracy ..ALWAYS...you sorry little b*******
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Actually, you left out his best cabinet choice (McMaster) and I like Kelly as well... I have mixed feelings about Haley and Tillerson.
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I think Tillerson might be one of those types that doesn't speak in public that much (or looks uncomfortable doing it the times he has) but in a negotiation setting could be very sharp. You don't get to the level he was at by being a dimwit and not having good communication skills.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Anyone who judges a president based off of 100 days in office is just an utter moron.
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"The first hundred days of a first-term presidency of a President of the United States are sometimes used to measure the successes and accomplishments of a president during the time that the president's power and influence are at their greatest."

- Wikipedia
 
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newarkvol said:
...What did we vote for?---where are all these populist-protectionists.......Globalism Baby-----Corporatocracy ..ALWAYS...you sorry little b*******
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Yep. Those extremists who voted for the Donald on the basis of his anti-global platform are getting shafted. Sorry. To the rest of us who recognize isolationism is stupid, the Donald is finally coming around to a more centrist position.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
"The first hundred days of a first-term presidency of a President of the United States are sometimes used to measure the successes and accomplishments of a president during the time that the president's power and influence are at their greatest."

- Wikipedia
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Wikipedia also said that Jon gruden was our head coach at one time as well.
 
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On the mind changes (not defending; trying to explain) some of it is the way he gets to outcomes.

China - lay down a marker about labeling a currency manipulator; have the negotiation; take that off the table in return for help on NK and other. At least in the short term it looks like the China encounter worked out pretty well.

NATO - lay down a marker that we might reconsider our commitment since NATO nations aren't fulfilling their obligation and not focused enough on fighting terrorism. Meet with Germany and NATO and now countries are upping their financial commitment and expanding their efforts in fighting terror.

The outcomes of both the above are wins. It's far too simplistic to label his actions as simply flip flopping (though he does some of that too). It's a negotiation style in many cases.

On Syria I think the CE usage prompted what both sides of the aisle and most of our allies call a necessary, measured and proportionate response. It doesn't signify some grand shift in Syrian policy.

This is going to be how he operates. People can howl if they like but I'd say the FP track record is about as good as it could be for any POTUS in the same situation. I imagine our allies are encouraged and our foes are concerned. Nice change IMHO.
 
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volinbham said:
On the mind changes (not defending; trying to explain) some of it is the way he gets to outcomes.

China - lay down a marker about labeling a currency manipulator; have the negotiation; take that off the table in return for help on NK and other. At least in the short term it looks like the China encounter worked out pretty well.

NATO - lay down a marker that we might reconsider our commitment since NATO nations aren't fulfilling their obligation and not focused enough on fighting terrorism. Meet with Germany and NATO and now countries are upping their financial commitment and expanding their efforts in fighting terror.

The outcomes of both the above are wins. It's far too simplistic to label his actions as simply flip flopping (though he does some of that too). It's a negotiation style in many cases.

On Syria I think the CE usage prompted what both sides of the aisle and most of our allies call a necessary, measured and proportionate response. It doesn't signify some grand shift in Syrian policy.

This is going to be how he operates. People can howl if they like but I'd say the FP track record is about as good as it could be for any POTUS in the same situation. I imagine our allies are encouraged and our foes are concerned. Nice change IMHO.
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China was already our "friend". People were concerned about trade with China. Trump has done a 180 on that issue.

If you want a fight with NK and you want to be a part of NATO, then yeah I can see how this stuff would be easy to rationalize. I know for a fact people voted for him to get the hell out of NATO because they didn't like entangling alliances, not because NATO wasn't pulling its weight.

He called NATO "obsolete"...not sure what's changed.
 
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n_huffhines said:
China was already our "friend". People were concerned about trade with China. Trump has done a 180 on that issue.

If you want a fight with NK and you want to be a part of NATO, then yeah I can see how this stuff would be easy to rationalize. I know for a fact people voted for him to get the hell out of NATO because they didn't like entangling alliances, not because NATO wasn't pulling its weight.

He called NATO "obsolete"...not sure what's changed.
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On China we are trying to get better trade deals and help in the region. Looks like there's progress.

How you feel about NATO is irrelevant to the explanation. He called them obsolete for the 2 reasons above; he clearly said he doesn't consider them obsolete NOW because they are rectifying the major complaints he had with them. They changed and he's changing his assessment (which was always just a negotiation marker)

He may not be doing what you want him to do or what someone else wants him to do. I'm trying to explain why the "that dumbass just changed his mind for no good reason" view of his actions is overly simplistic.

His negotiation style is to start with an extreme solution (label a currency manipulator; 35% tariff) and work towards a deal that has some wins. I get why people don't like that and they don't like it from a POTUS. However one feels about the style; at least recognize what's going on.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think Tillerson might be one of those types that doesn't speak in public that much (or looks uncomfortable doing it the times he has) but in a negotiation setting could be very sharp. You don't get to the level he was at by being a dimwit and not having good communication skills.
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Take a look at joint press conferences between Hillary and Lavarov, Kerry and Lavarov and Tillerson and Lavarov. One of the 3 seems to have the attention - guess which one.

(I probably butchered the guy's name)
 
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volinbham said:
On China we are trying to get better trade deals and help in the region. Looks like there's progress.
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We got a better deal? What are the new terms?

How you feel about NATO is irrelevant to the explanation. He called them obsolete for the 2 reasons above; he clearly said he doesn't consider them obsolete NOW because they are rectifying the major complaints he had with them. They changed and he's changing his assessment (which was always just a negotiation marker)
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I didn't vote for him so it doesn't matter how I feel. I'm saying people voted for him because of his stance on NATO. I guess he doesn't know what "obsolete" means?
 
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Ahem

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/04/13/china-is-suddenly-leaning-on-north-korea-and-it-might-be-thanks-to-trump/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.b76275c8fcbb

China has never before listed in such clear, albeit semi-official, terms what it wants for the Korean Peninsula. It’s never before hinted that it would oppose the formation of a government hostile to Beijing’s interests next door. So how is this related to Trump?


In his first meeting with President Barack Obama before taking office, Trump noted that the outgoing president advised him to focus on North Korea. The reason is that in the five years since he’s been at the helm, Kim has accelerated his father’s nuclear and missile program and appears to be rushing to affix a nuclear warhead onto an intercontinental ballistic missile. He’s apparently calculating that once he’s done this, he’ll have ensured the security of his regime.

Once in office, Trump issued a series of tweets demanding that China do more to rein in North Korea. Trump administration sources have also leaked information vowing to punish a panoply of Chinese companies that have facilitated North Korea’s busting of U.N. sanctions. (The Obama administration only sanctioned one of these firms.) Meanwhile, the U.S. military sped up its plans to deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense antimissile system in South Korea, despite China’s intense opposition.

But that wasn’t all. When Secretary of State Rex Tillerson traveled to Asia in March he warned that the United States would consider a preemptive strike on the north if its nuclear program continued unabated. “The policy of strategic patience,” Tillerson announced, “has ended.” Finally, the North Korean bomb was front and center at the summit between Trump and China’s president, Xi Jinping, on April 6 and 7 at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort. While eating “the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake,” with Xi on the evening of April 6, Trump told the Chinese president that he had ordered U.S. forces to fire missiles at a Syrian air base, following the chemical weapons attack on Syrian civilians apparently by forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

These events, culminating with Trump’s strike on Syria, appear to have concentrated Chinese minds. The strategy of backing North Korea no matter what is bumping up against the risk of an unpredictable man in the White House.

Following the summit, on Tuesday, Xi called Trump and declared that China wanted to see the crisis on the Korean Peninsula solved peacefully. Chinese news reports portrayed Xi as attempting to manage two unpredictable actors – Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un. A day later, the Global Times noted that the attack on Syria made it impossible to dismiss the possibility of a U.S. strike on North Korea. “Trump’s team apparently is determined to solve the North Korean nuclear problem,” the Global Times observed. To show that he’s willing to negotiate, Trump stated that if China plays ball in North Korea, the United States will take into account China’s interests when it comes to U.S.-China trade.
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volinbham said:
It was not for you.

It was for the topic of the thread showing that Trump might actually have accomplished something significant.
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I agree the NK thing could end up being a good thing but it could also be a terrible thing.

I actually like some of the things he's done, going back on promises. I don't want him to be a dip**** about trade with China and label them a currency manipulator. I'm just saying, he's walking back a ton of things. Some of it justified, but the point is he's just another politician. Campaign rhetoric doesn't matter. I'm gonna do whatever the **** I want in office.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I agree the NK thing could end up being a good thing but it could also be a terrible thing.

I actually like some of the things he's done, going back on promises. I don't want him to be a dip**** about trade with China and label them a currency manipulator. I'm just saying, he's walking back a ton of things. Some of it justified, but the point is he's just another politician. Campaign rhetoric doesn't matter. I'm gonna do whatever the **** I want in office.
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Some of that is true but my point is that some of these statements were not campaign promises; they were negotiation tactics; markers.

I don't think people really care if China is labeled a currency manipulator; they care if our trade vis a vis China improves. I don't think most Trump voters wanted us out of NATO; they want NATO to be more effective and carry more of the load than they do now. I think they wanted us to go after ISIS and bomb the shizz out of them and they got that!

In the end, I'm looking for results.
 
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volinbham said:
Some of that is true but my point is that some of these statements were not campaign promises; they were negotiation tactics; markers.
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Yeah, but that game is just going to let everybody off the hook. "Obama wasn't really going to change our foreign policy course. It was a tactic."

You can just whitewash any flip flop with that.
 
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