Would you still want pearl gone if he didn't lie?

#26
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BasketvolsFan said:
Without the NCAA mess, there would be no justification for Pearl leaving. His record at UT would not justify any discussion of his being fired, despite the mediocre performance this season. I really believe that the pending NCAA situation has had a much more major impact on the play this season than Pearl of anyone else wants to admit.
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Totally agree with this post.

I don't care what anyone says, the NCAA situation has had a huge impact on this team.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
and you couldnt come to a conclusion regarding this in one of the 50 zillion other Pearl Threads?
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No I couldnt. To me it seems most in favor of firing Bruce are just angry at want to punish him for his sins. To me its not about that. It is about what's the best solution for our program. And the people saying we are better off without him better make sure there is someone to replace him. We arent better of with a bad coach.
 
#28
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If Pearl wasn't the sole reason the basketball program was staring down the barrell of the 12-gauge that the NCAA has right now, I would want him back next season.
 
#29
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Yankee_Vol said:
I wanted him gone after the lie. Then even more so after the "bump" incident four days after his public "remorse" show.

If not for that crap then no, I would not want Pearl gone. Also I don't think the team would have played as bad this year if they didn't have all this crap going on. Just my :twocents:
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This +1.
 
#30
#30
Well, stick with the admitted cheater you have then. Maybe next year, the players wont be so "distracted".
 
#31
#31
not a chance. the only reason I would want him gone is the trouble he's gotten us in w/ the NCAA
 
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tigervol9802 said:
If Pearl wasn't the sole reason the basketball program was staring down the barrell of the 12-gauge that the NCAA has right now, I would want him back next season.
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This is what I'm talking about. You are so angry that he got the program in trouble that you just want to punish him at all costs. Anyone would be better in your mind. I'm not buying that. We better have a good plan and a legitimate head coach in line to take the job before they fire BP.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
This is what I'm talking about. You are so angry that he got the program in trouble that you just want to punish him at all costs. Anyone would be better in your mind. I'm not buying that. We better have a good plan and a legitimate head coach in line to take the job before they fire BP.
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No, not anyone. As a matter of fact there are several that I would not want.

I really don't understand how people think Pearl is the best option irregardless. Having Tony Jones be the interim coach for a year or more and having it discussed on every Tennessee broadcast plus the hit to recruiting could possibly set the program back just as far as Wade did.
 
#34
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CarrytheFight said:
This is what I'm talking about. You are so angry that he got the program in trouble that you just want to punish him at all costs. Anyone would be better in your mind. I'm not buying that. We better have a good plan and a legitimate head coach in line to take the job before they fire BP.
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The cost of keeping a coach who has lied to the AA and has put the program in the situation he has is far greater than trying to hire another coach. You act as though Bruce Pearl is the only decent coach in America and if we get rid of him, our program will go into the cellar.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
This is what I'm talking about. You are so angry that he got the program in trouble that you just want to punish him at all costs. Anyone would be better in your mind. I'm not buying that. We better have a good plan and a legitimate head coach in line to take the job before they fire BP.
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Or, perhaps he cares more about the reputation of the University than keeping a coach who sullied said reputation just for the sake of maybe winning a couple more meaningless ballgames.
 
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BearCat204 said:
The cost of keeping a coach who has lied to the AA and has put the program in the situation he has is far greater than trying to hire another coach. You act as though Bruce Pearl is the only decent coach in America and if we get rid of him, our program will go into the cellar.
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This, Bruce Pearl is not the end all be all of college basketball coaches.
 
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BearCat204 said:
The cost of keeping a coach who has lied to the AA and has put the program in the situation he has is far greater than trying to hire another coach. You act as though Bruce Pearl is the only decent coach in America and if we get rid of him, our program will go into the cellar.
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I believe SEC rules state UT must rehire Buzz Peterson. Not sure but just what I gathered on here
 
#38
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BearCat204 said:
The cost of keeping a coach who has lied to the AA and has put the program in the situation he has is far greater than trying to hire another coach. You act as though Bruce Pearl is the only decent coach in America and if we get rid of him, our program will go into the cellar.
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Why do you think Wade was there yesterday? It's wasn't for Allan, he had an interview with Hammy after the game.
 
#39
#39
This is like asking if Joseph Hazelwood should have been fired if he hadn't crashed the Valdez.
 
#40
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CarrytheFight said:
This is what I'm talking about. You are so angry that he got the program in trouble that you just want to punish him at all costs. Anyone would be better in your mind. I'm not buying that. We better have a good plan and a legitimate head coach in line to take the job before they fire BP.
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As someone who's been watching UT basketball for 35 years, I don't say this lightly, but I don't really care what happens on the court. The integrity of the university is more important. You get the liar out and then you worry about picking up the pieces afterwards.

But just for argument's sake, let's look at it from your perspective. Let's say we don't give a shat about integrity or the university's reputation; all we want to do is win. Fine. So let's say Pearl gets a one-year suspension and we decide to let Tony Jones warm the seat while we wait on him. 2011-2012 is going to be a nightmare, because all our good players will be gone and you can kiss this year's recruiting class goodbye. Next year's class is a disaster too, because Pearl can't recruit anybody. So Pearl gets to come back in 2012-2013, but now he's missed out on two full years worth of recruiting and he's starting from scratch in a far deeper hole than he began in in 2005, plus it's anybody's guess as to whether he'd be irrevocably damaged goods by then or not. Is the coach who can't get his team to do anything other than heave up 35 footers at the end of games in which they're down by one really worth deliberately digging a hole that deep for the program to climb out of?
 
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#41
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's also a huge factor. If Pearl is here for every game and doesn't miss 8, do we end up 8-8, and if there was no distraction, would we have done as badly.

Even if we had done as badly, without the incident you couldn't seriously call for his head.
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His 8 game record was worse than Jones'. How would him being here the whole time improve that?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
As someone who's been watching UT basketball for 35 years, I don't say this lightly, but I don't really care what happens on the court. The integrity of the university is more important. You get the liar out and then you worry about picking up the pieces afterwards.

But just for argument's sake, let's look at it from your perspective. Let's say we don't give a shat about integrity or the university's reputation; all we want to do is win. Fine. So let's say Pearl gets a one-year suspension and we decide to let Tony Jones warm the seat while we wait on him. 2011-2012 is going to be a nightmare, because all our good players will be gone and you can kiss this year's recruiting class goodbye. Next year's class is a disaster too, because Pearl can't recruit anybody. So Pearl gets to come back in 2012-2013, but now he's missed out on two full years worth of recruiting and he's starting from scratch in a far deeper hole than he began in in 2005, plus it's anybody's guess as to whether he'd be irrevocably damaged goods by then or not. Is the coach who can't get his team to do anything other than heave up 35 footers at the end of games in which they're down by one really worth deliberately digging a hole that deep for the program to climb out of?
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Great post
 
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Vercingetorix said:
As someone who's been watching UT basketball for 35 years, I don't say this lightly, but I don't really care what happens on the court. The integrity of the university is more important. You get the liar out and then you worry about picking up the pieces afterwards.

But just for argument's sake, let's look at it from your perspective. Let's say we don't give a shat about integrity or the university's reputation; all we want to do is win. Fine. So let's say Pearl gets a one-year suspension and we decide to let Tony Jones warm the seat while we wait on him. 2011-2012 is going to be a nightmare, because all our good players will be gone and you can kiss this year's recruiting class goodbye. Next year's class is a disaster too, because Pearl can't recruit anybody. So Pearl gets to come back in 2012-2013, but now he's missed out on two full years worth of recruiting and he's starting from scratch in a far deeper hole than he began in in 2005, plus it's anybody's guess as to whether he'd be irrevocably damaged goods by then or not. Is the coach who can't get his team to do anything other than heave up 35 footers at the end of games in which they're down by one really worth deliberately digging a hole that deep for the program to climb out of?
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Excellent post :hi:
 
#44
#44
I want Pearl gone for off-court reasons AND on-court reasons. I'm not sure how any fan can watch this team and not see that Pearl has lost control.

After the MSU game he called the team out about coming down and throwing up a three after missing 4 in a row and how the fan's would know better than to not do that. Well Bruce, you are the coach and you should be able to have an impact on their shot selection.

After Bruce said the team had no leadership, Goins agreed, and his quote to the media was along the lines of, "he's right, we have no leadership all the way up to the top if you understand what I'm saying".

There is clearly dissension in the locker room and a lack of respect from these players. And Bruce's tirade to the media about how awful these guys are after the MSU game did nothing to help matters.
 
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How much better would this team be this season had the issues not been on their minds? Well, I think that we would have won the 5 games that we lost that were close games. We would have won USC, Charlotte, Arkansas, Florida & Mississippi State.
Then our record would be 23 - 8. We would still be in the top 25! We would have won the SEC East. We would have a better seeding in the NCAA tourney!!!!
 
#46
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Rudy123 said:
How much better would this team be this season had the issues not been on their minds? Well, I think that we would have won the 5 games that we lost that were close games. We would have won USC, Charlotte, Arkansas, Florida & Mississippi State.
Then our record would be 23 - 8. We would still be in the top 25! We would have won the SEC East. We would have a better seeding in the NCAA tourney!!!!
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The violations/media didn't cause poor end game strategy.
 
#47
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lylsmorr said:
The violations/media didn't cause poor end game strategy.
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Exactly! Pearl repeatedly allowing Goins to hold the ball in late half/game situations instead of getting it to his scorers is a prime example of not telling these guys what to do or controlling them. The UF game in G-Ville Scotty goes for 25 on very efficient shooting and never touches the ball on the last possession. Tobias has 14 in the first half yesterday, yet doesn't touch the ball to end the half. Scotty lights USC up in the first half yet Goins takes the shot. A non-scoring PG's job is to get the ball to the playmakers...pretty simple concept and should be easy to enforce.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Ok, maybe he deserves to be fired because he put the program in a bad spot. But that's bot the question to me. The question is Should he be fired. In other words, "Are we better of with him in the future, or someone else?"
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Someone else. Period.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Well, stick with the admitted cheater you have then. Maybe next year, the players wont be so "distracted".
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Did you not read the post? I said I wanted him gone becuase of the NCAA issue. IF NOT for that then I would see no reason for him to be let go just for a down year.
 
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