Would you still want pearl gone if he didn't lie?

#51
#51
In response to the OP, no- probably not. I don't know that I'd be petitioning for an extension or raise this year, though.
 
#52
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If Bruce is the salesman I have watched since his arrival I believe he will resign at seasons end and put his spin on the situtation. Kind of like a No Contest plea for our legal guys on the board.
 
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Seriously I find the question kind of like asking "Would your wife have kept you if you had not slept with the secretary?"
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Ok, maybe he deserves to be fired because he put the program in a bad spot. But that's bot the question to me. The question is Should he be fired. In other words, "Are we better of with him in the future, or someone else?"
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If we posit a one-year suspension for Pearl, under which scenario is Tennessee better off in March 2013:

A) Pearl coming off a suspension, with a roster decimated by two years of essentially zero recruiting, or

B) One of this year's top mid-major coaches, two seasons into his tenure and with a class of his own players on board?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If we posit a one-year suspension for Pearl, under which scenario is Tennessee better off in March 2013:

A) Pearl coming off a suspension, with a roster decimated by two years of essentially zero recruiting, or

B) One of this year's top mid-major coaches, two seasons into his tenure and with a class of his own players on board?
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Can Pearl get a hold of some that magic dust?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If we posit a one-year suspension for Pearl, under which scenario is Tennessee better off in March 2013:

A) Pearl coming off a suspension, with a roster decimated by two years of essentially zero recruiting, or

B) One of this year's top mid-major coaches, two seasons into his tenure and with a class of his own players on board?
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I choose B). Although you can never assume a logical decision from the NCAA, I wonder if UT fires him at the end of the season, how many think the AA will come down a little softer on the penalties? Not sure how much it would help at this point since Hammy has said all along that UT was sticking by him. I think the only way the AA would have softened the penalties would have been to fire him when he admitted he lied.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I want Pearl gone for off-court reasons AND on-court reasons. I'm not sure how any fan can watch this team and not see that Pearl has lost control.

After the MSU game he called the team out about coming down and throwing up a three after missing 4 in a row and how the fan's would know better than to not do that. Well Bruce, you are the coach and you should be able to have an impact on their shot selection.

After Bruce said the team had no leadership, Goins agreed, and his quote to the media was along the lines of, "he's right, we have no leadership all the way up to the top if you understand what I'm saying".

There is clearly dissension in the locker room and a lack of respect from these players. And Bruce's tirade to the media about how awful these guys are after the MSU game did nothing to help matters.
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I hate it but Pearl lost this team and has become a lax disciplinarian because he has no credibility. That has instilled a total lack of intensity on this team. I just think based on the aforementioned Pearl needs to take his son and second family and leave town. Oh by the way take Mike Hamilton with you, the sooner the better.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Did you not read the post? I said I wanted him gone becuase of the NCAA issue. IF NOT for that then I would see no reason for him to be let go just for a down year.
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I read it, and wasnt really speaking directly to you.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If we posit a one-year suspension for Pearl, under which scenario is Tennessee better off in March 2013:

A) Pearl coming off a suspension, with a roster decimated by two years of essentially zero recruiting, or

B) One of this year's top mid-major coaches, two seasons into his tenure and with a class of his own players on board?
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Not trying to start a back and forth argument but how can one assume that recruits will come to this mid major coach? If pearl is fired that doesnt make all this ncaa mess go away. I agree its much easier to recruit if your hc is there but potential sanctions may scare away players regardless of who the hc is. My opinion is if they were goin to send pearl packing for what is better for the program then that should have already occurred.
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jp1 said:
Not trying to start a back and forth argument but how can one assume that recruits will come to this mid major coach? If pearl is fired that doesnt make all this ncaa mess go away. I agree its much easier to recruit if your hc is there but potential sanctions may scare away players regardless of who the hc is. My opinion is if they were goin to send pearl packing for what is better for the program then that should have already occurred.
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The NCAA is too capricious to predict, but I still think things will go a lot better for UT in June if Pearl's no longer on the payroll.

The existing roster and this year's recruiting class probably both get decimated either way, but if you have a new coach in place for next season, then he at least gets a whole year to start bringing in guys he wants for the 2012-2013 season. And if there's no postseason ban -- more likely if Pearl is gone, presumably -- it's always possible he could salvage something this offseason as well. Either way you can turn the page and start rebuilding immediately. If we stick with Pearl through a one-year suspension, then we basically have to sit in a two-year hole (because of his inability to recruit next year) before he can start rebuilding the roster at all. It's going to be rough either way, but the pathway back to competitiveness is a lot shorter if we pull the plug on Pearl and start immediately.
 
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Bruce pearl is not just another guy who had pretty good mid-major stint. He had a great mid-major stint. Hes had an excellent run at Tennessee as well. He is proven commodity. I'm still waiting on the name of a specific coach who is going to come in here and clean up this mess faster than Bruce can clean it up himself.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Bruce pearl is not just another guy who had pretty good mid-major stint. He had a great mid-major stint. Hes had an excellent run at Tennessee as well. He is proven commodity. I'm still waiting on the name of a specific coach who is going to come in here and clean up this mess faster than Bruce can clean it up himself.
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My first three I would call -

1. Mike Anderson
2. Tom Crean
3. Gregg Marshall
 
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tigervol9802 said:
My first three I would call -

1. Mike Anderson
2. Tom Crean
3. Gregg Marshall
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Can we get the first 2? Why does anyone think the 3rd guy is a legitimate candidate? The point isn't that Bruce is the best out there. I don't think he is. But can we get better under the circumstances?
 
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I think people forget how irrelavant Tennessee basketball was before Pearl.

Tennessee started playing basketball in 1909, from 1909 to 2005 when Pearl was hired we went to the tourney 13 out of our 96 year history (1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001), Wow I just love Tennessee Basketball before Pearl, we sucked!

Since Pearl, Tournament every year including this year 6 staright seasons, and we will get in this year ('06-'11)

I think most Tennessee fans don't remember how irrelevant we were 6 years ago. I remeber the 12-19 seasons though and don't really want to go back.

GBO!!!
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Can we get the first 2? Why does anyone think the 3rd guy is a legitimate candidate? The point isn't that Bruce is the best out there. I don't think he is. But can we get better under the circumstances?
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1. - Yes

2. - Money talks

3. - He's a solid coach.
 
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So Pearl is going to clean up his own mess faster than any other coach could, despite the fact that A) he'd be starting from a much deeper hole than another coach would, and B) the other coach would have more than a year head start in rebuilding the roster. Right.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Can we get the first 2? Why does anyone think the 3rd guy is a legitimate candidate? The point isn't that Bruce is the best out there. I don't think he is. But can we get better under the circumstances?
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Of course we can. As I said in another thread, all you have to do is be Daddy Warbucks. "Here's a video presentation showing off our awesome facilities. Here's a giant suitcase full of money. Can we have a couple of hours of your time?" All it takes is an audacious AD (unfortunately) and a willingness to throw our $100m athletic department budget around.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So Pearl is going to clean up his own mess faster than any other coach could, despite the fact that A) he'd be starting from a much deeper hole than another coach would, and B) the other coach would have more than a year head start in rebuilding the roster. Right.
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I'm not sure if you've taken a close look at Pearl's resume but he's been able to fix other people's messes pretty fast. Not sure why he couldn't clean up his own.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
I'm not sure if you've taken a close look at Pearl's resume but he's been able to fix other people's messes pretty fast. Not sure why he couldn't clean up his own.
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It's a whole lot easier to come in and give a breath of fresh air and new direction to any program than it is to take your own messes and fix them, doubly when everyone involved is always going to be somewhat skeptical of you.
 
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AirForceVol74 said:
I think people forget how irrelavant Tennessee basketball was before Pearl.

Tennessee started playing basketball in 1909, from 1909 to 2005 when Pearl was hired we went to the tourney 13 out of our 96 year history (1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001), Wow I just love Tennessee Basketball before Pearl, we sucked!

Since Pearl, Tournament every year including this year 6 staright seasons, and we will get in this year ('06-'11)

I think most Tennessee fans don't remember how irrelevant we were 6 years ago. I remeber the 12-19 seasons though and don't really want to go back.

GBO!!!
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If you choose to ignore the changes in the tournament format for all those years, then Pearl is overwhelmingly your man.
 
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Regarding the effects the off-the-court stuff has had on our play, I think it helped us a bit when we played Nova and Pitt. Those were big games, and I think the guys had some kind of us-against-the-world mentality going on. Then, the distractions took over and became a negative.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
I'm not sure if you've taken a close look at Pearl's resume but he's been able to fix other people's messes pretty fast. Not sure why he couldn't clean up his own.
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Well, one thing's for sure -- if we keep him and essentially lose two or more full classes waiting on him to get back and start recruiting again, then Pearl will get to go back to pressing and trying to win with crappy, overmatched players again, which is clearly his strength. This whole "evaluating and coaching top-level talent" thing hasn't worked out too well for him at all.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Bruce pearl is not just another guy who had pretty good mid-major stint. He had a great mid-major stint. Hes had an excellent run at Tennessee as well. He is proven commodity. I'm still waiting on the name of a specific coach who is going to come in here and clean up this mess faster than Bruce can clean it up himself.
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Try looking at any other decent coach and you will have your man.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
I'm not sure if you've taken a close look at Pearl's resume but he's been able to fix other people's messes pretty fast. Not sure why he couldn't clean up his own.
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You're preaching the concept of complacency to a community that has already sang the song, and put their hymnals down.
 
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