Would you still want pearl gone if he didn't lie?

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#77
AirForceVol74 said:
I think people forget how irrelavant Tennessee basketball was before Pearl.

Tennessee started playing basketball in 1909, from 1909 to 2005 when Pearl was hired we went to the tourney 13 out of our 96 year history (1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001), Wow I just love Tennessee Basketball before Pearl, we sucked!

Since Pearl, Tournament every year including this year 6 staright seasons, and we will get in this year ('06-'11)

I think most Tennessee fans don't remember how irrelevant we were 6 years ago. I remeber the 12-19 seasons though and don't really want to go back.

GBO!!!
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Considering the NCAA Tournament didn't start until 1939 your 96 year history argument and starting with the teams before the tournament existed doesn't add up.

Only 8 teams were in the tourney in '39 and only around 25 were in until 1975 and only 48 until '83.
 
#78
#78
Again, we have a poster trying to use facts. Those simply don't fly when you are advocating that we must keep Pearl and could not possibly hire another coach who could be successful.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Again, we have a poster trying to use facts. Those simply don't fly when you are advocating that we must keep Pearl and could not possibly hire another coach who could be successful.
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Exactly, Look at all the successful coaches we had here before Pearl. There was...
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Try looking at any other decent coach and you will have your man.
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I hate to burst your bubble but Bruce Pearl is not a "decent" basketball coach. He is quite a few notches above that. That would be an apt title for a guy like Marshall from wichita.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Sounds like a terrible analogy between two completely different situations.
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Yeah, because modern college sports are filled with guys who have reversed the trend when things start going downhill. All UT will be doing by keeping Pearl on will be delaying the inevitable by a couple of years.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Again, we have a poster trying to use facts. Those simply don't fly when you are advocating that we must keep Pearl and could not possibly hire another coach who could be successful.
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Please let hat and the others carry on the good fight. Dont pretend that u didnt feel this way at some point too. And i dont think hes saying we couldnt hire another successful coach just merely saying based on our past history odds are not in our favor. I will say that what has occurred over the past 6 years makes us looks alot better to some.
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#84
#84
To answer the question, of course not. With the possible exception of Mears, he is our most successful coach of all time. This is his worst season here and Tennessee will probably still make the tournament. Also, if he doesn't lie, there wouldn't be so much negative attention and uncertainty surrounding the program, and the team probably wouldn't look so bad.

That being said, he did lie, and he needs to go.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, because modern college sports are filled with guys who have reversed the trend when things start going downhill. All UT will be doing by keeping Pearl on will be delaying the inevitable by a couple of years.
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Yes they are, absolutely filled with guys who have had great success followed by a bad year and then had great success again.
 
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tvolsfan said:
To answer the question, of course not. With the possible exception of Mears, he is our most successful coach of all time. This is his worst season here and Tennessee will probably still make the tournament. Also, if he doesn't lie, there wouldn't be so much negative attention and uncertainty surrounding the program, and the team probably wouldn't look so bad.

That being said, he did lie, and he needs to go.
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Mears would have been much more successful under the current tourney format
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Alot of people clearly want Pearl gone and after each loss they use it as another reason to fire him. Really? You think that his team's poor performance this year is a firable offense. This guy is not a mediocre coach and his resume proves it. This has been a tough year on and off the court. If you want him gone because of the off-court stuff fine. But stop using the team's poor play as justification.
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You seem to think that the off-court issues had no effect on the team's performance, and I'm not sure that is the case. It is very difficult for me to believe that the turmoil in the coach's office hasn't effected this team.

But to answer your question, I don't think there is any conversation at all about firing the coach without the NCAA penalties hanging over the program.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Yes they are, absolutely filled with guys who have had great success followed by a bad year and then had great success again.
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But for Melvin Goins' fluke game against San Diego State, Tennessee is on a run of three straight years of going backwards. Funny, that coincides with the roster being filled with guys Pearl recruited.
 
#90
#90
I wanted him gone as soon as it was proven he lied, to limit AA attack on program.....I don't get how UT basketball will be irrelevant again just because Pearl is gone...There are other good coaches in this world.....They may be harder to get now that we have kept Pearl and pissed the AA off even more.....
 
#91
#91
Up until 1975, only a conference champion could be in the NCAA tournament. This all started to change when South Carolina went 14-0 in the ACC and was 25-3 overall and did not make the NCAA tournament. In 1971, USC lost 2 games all year (both to UCLA) and was ranked #2 in the country and didn't make the NCAA Tourney. In 1974, NC State and Maryland were ranked #2 and #3 in the country. NCSU won the ACC tournament and Maryland stayed home. So the tournament was expanded. Prior to that, UT was in the same situation with Kentucky always winning the SEC. Ray Mears had season records that would have probably added 10 more NCAA appearances using today's standards. UT has also had 24 All American players, only one during Pearl's time and he wasn't recruited by Pearl. By today's standards, at least 7 of Coach John Mauer's teams would have probably made the NCAA. At least 5 of Coach Emmett Lowery's teams could have. So to say Coach Pearl is the only coach to take us to the NCAA consistently is disregarding how the tournament worked back in the day. He's not the only good coach we've had, and in some ways, Ray Mears is probably the best coach Tennessee has had in basketball. He has done a good job, but if needed, I believe we can find another coach to do a good job as well. Coach Pearl is not bigger than the University of Tennessee or our history.
 
#92
#92
In regards to Pearl's employment, I look at what he can do for us in the future, not what he has done in the past. I'm not hopeful.
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#93
#93
hatvol96 said:
But for Melvin Goins' fluke game against San Diego State, Tennessee is on a run of three straight years of going backwards. Funny, that coincides with the roster being filled with guys Pearl recruited.
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That is once again false. Even if your dumb assessment were true and tennessee was a 1st round exit last year, it certainly would not have been a step backwards from 2009.
 
#94
#94
There's no question Ray Mears is the best basketball coach in UT history. The guy coached great half-court basketball and then all of a sudden, went fast break and coached it well too. Do any of you youngsters have a clue as to how good UT was to have averaged 80-85 points a game before the shot clock and three point line were introduced? Again, Mears transitioned a half-court game to a fast break game in one season. Of course, his personnel dictated the change, but to be so successful at both is the mark of a great coach.

There is a reason why Pearl has revered Mears every chance he gets....he knows Mears forgot more about coaching than he will ever know
 
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CarrytheFight said:
That is once again false. Even if your dumb assessment were true and tennessee was a 1st round exit last year, it certainly would not have been a step backwards from 2009.
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Tennessee played in the SEC Tournament finals in '09. That at least showed some progress in an event UT has traditionally tanked. Exactly what accomplishment last season showed any progress? Getting a bunch of guys arrested and suspended?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Tennessee played in the SEC Tournament finals in '09. That at least showed some progress in an event UT has traditionally tanked. Exactly what accomplishment last season showed any progress? Getting a bunch of guys arrested and suspended?
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In the game of basketball. Thats where they showed progress from 09. It was a better team.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
I hate to burst your bubble but Bruce Pearl is not a "decent" basketball coach. He is quite a few notches above that. That would be an apt title for a guy like Marshall from wichita.
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Come on. He can't coach halfcourt offense. He's had consistent trouble with end of game strategy. The famous scout team full of four-star players suggests that he has trouble with evaluating high school players, or player development, or both. He doesn't field teams that pass the simple eyeball test of looking well coached or prepared most of the time. I've always said Pearl is a good coach, but surely even the most ardent integrity-ignoring Pearl supporter has got to admit that he has some glaring limitations as a basketball coach.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Come on. He can't coach halfcourt offense. He's had consistent trouble with end of game strategy. The famous scout team full of four-star players suggests that he has trouble with evaluating high school players, or player development, or both. He doesn't field teams that pass the simple eyeball test of looking well coached or prepared most of the time. I've always said Pearl is a good coach, but surely even the most ardent integrity-ignoring Pearl supporter has got to admit that he has some glaring limitations as a basketball coach.
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Which don't include winning a high quantity or high quality of games. When he finally got to this level he turned UWM around immediately. When he got this job he had the best winning percentage in Horizon history. He turned this program around immediately. He has produced the winningest and most consistent program in league play since he got here. He has won huge nonconference game after huge nonconference game while here. Nothing about his resume seems merely "decent" to me.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Which don't include winning a high quantity or high quality of games. When he finally got to this level he turned UWM around immediately. When he got this job he had the best winning percentage in Horizon history. He turned this program around immediately. He has produced the winningest and most consistent program in league play since he got here. He has won huge nonconference game after huge nonconference game while here. Nothing about his resume seems merely "decent" to me.
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Number of SEC tourney titles and NCAA titles.
 
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