Wow, Paul Krugman showing why he got that Nobel Prize in Economics

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Sandvol said:
When my grandfather immigrated from Italy in the early 1900's with only the clothes on his back the only thing he got from the United States was a shower and his head shaved. After that it was totally up to him whether he lived or died. If you liberals would agree to end all welfare programs we'll agree to open our borders. Deal?
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To include social security and Medicare? Or only true welfare programs?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Back to this....if we're talking about helping people and doing good in the world, don't you think allowing immigrants to come here would accomplish more good than our welfare programs are doing (if we're talking about one or the other)?
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I've already stated that I am all for allowing immigrants here
 
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Vol8188 said:
To include social security and Medicare? Or only true welfare programs?
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Those are totally welfare programs. Just not for the impoverished. The wealthy live longer and collect tons more in SS and medicare.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Right, but I'm not sure that you are answering my question. Would you open the borders if it meant the end of federal welfare?
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I'm not understanding the connection you are trying to make between immigration and welfare...
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I'm not understanding the connection you are trying to make between immigration and welfare...
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Do you remember responding to this?

Sandvol said:
When my grandfather immigrated from Italy in the early 1900's with only the clothes on his back the only thing he got from the United States was a shower and his head shaved. After that it was totally up to him whether he lived or died. If you liberals would agree to end all welfare programs we'll agree to open our borders. Deal?
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Yeah, these are the tough decisions that have to be made. You can't feasibly have open borders and welfare, even if it is massively scaled back to help only the truly needy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Those are totally welfare programs. Just not for the impoverished. The wealthy live longer and collect tons more in SS and medicare.
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I disagree. Those are things paid for trough your personnel income. SS is more like a 401k than a handout (some exceptions due apply).
 
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Vol8188 said:
I disagree. Those are things paid for trough your personnel income. SS is more like a 401k than a handout (some exceptions due apply).
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There's no way I can take more out of my 401k than I put in. SS isn't supposed to be a retirement plan anyways

How much of the SS money I'm putting in today will I see in 30yrs?
 
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utvolpj said:
There's no way I can take more out of my 401k than I put in. SS isn't supposed to be a retirement plan anyways

How much of the SS money I'm putting in today will I see in 30yrs?
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I never said it was perfect. Yes some people do take out more than they put in. But it will def be here in 30 years. If the US government were to payback the money they've taken from the SS fund, I believe the number of years until it's expected to run out was somewhere around 1000.

I absolutely dislike the idea of social security. For one, I could invest that money into my own retirement and do pretty well. But it is a necessary evil. Until we completely revamp our education system, social security will have to stay. The average high school graduate couldn't tell you the difference between a stock, a bond, a 401k, or an IRA.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I disagree. Those are things paid for trough your personnel income. SS is more like a 401k than a handout (some exceptions due apply).
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If you got exactly what you paid in, I'd agree. That's not how it works. Just like medicaid and welfare, it's wealth redistribution.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If you got exactly what you paid in, I'd agree. That's not how it works. Just like medicaid and welfare, it's wealth redistribution.
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I'm not opposed to reform. But many Americans are simply not intelligent enough to save for their retirement. It's sad but true.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's their problem. You're making the same argument welfare supporters make.
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I'm telling you the truth. Americans of average to below average intelligence are simply not smart enough to save money. They do well not to spend more money than they have.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm telling you the truth. Americans of average to below average intelligence are simply not smart enough to save money. They do well not to spend more money than they have.
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I get that, but it's the same argument for welfare. Many Americans are not capable of providing for themselves in their everyday life, forget about their retirement years.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm not opposed to reform. But many Americans are simply not intelligent enough to save for their retirement. It's sad but true.
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Then they can't retire. No one is guaranteed anything simply because they live 65 yrs
 
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n_huffhines said:
I get that, but it's the same argument for welfare. Many Americans are not capable of providing for themselves in their everyday life, forget about their retirement years.
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I've never been opposed to providing assitance for others, because in a capatalist society not all people will make enough to sustain themselves. Yet we need people working in those areas.
 
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Page 5 of In Defense of Obama | Rolling Stone

Obama faces trash talk left, right and center – literally – and doesn't deserve it. Despite bitter opposition, despite having come close to self-inflicted disaster, Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history. His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it's working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it's much more effective than you'd think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy.
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sigh
 
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