Yahoo Sports lowers the boom on Miami

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lawgator1 said:
He offered $5,000 to anyone hitting and taking Tebow or FSU's Rix out of game. Miami players confirm they went after Rix and hit him way too hard.

Miami booster claims he put bounties on Tim Tebow and Chris Rix – Sentinel Sports Now – Orlando Sentinel

I just don't see how overall this is not death-penalty worthy. I mean, if you have 72 players getting stuff, including a lot of illegal things, plus cash incentives to hurt opposing players, and coaches knew of it, what does it say to the rest of the NCAA programs if you don't shut this one down?

Its too huge a precedent not to simply end University of Miami athletics. They are done, imo. And should be.
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ouch. Didn't see this until just now. They are completely finished if this proves to be true.
 
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I don't think the NCAA will ever bring back the death penalty, but if they do, Miami will be up for it. Of course, the homer in me says the SMU stuff was worse:

SMU was already on probation for paying players with administrative awareness of the payments. They were given the death penalty for then deciding, on an administrative level, to continue paying players while on probation.

Nevin Shapiro did some despicable things, but the administration of the University wasn't involved in doling out these benefits. Whether they should have known this was going on or not is a different story. I hope the U survives.
 
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This is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! Miami becomes irrelevant again but I do feel bad for the revenue other schools are going to lose out on.
 
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the most damning thing of all is the picture of the basketball coach, Shapiro, and the university president staring at a check. Its one thing for all these sketchy things to be taking place from a renegade booster, its another thing when the booster is close with the coaches and the president. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY was a part of this.

If ever there has been a "lack of institutional control" this is it.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't think the NCAA will ever bring back the death penalty, but if they do, Miami will be up for it. Of course, the homer in me says the SMU stuff was worse:

SMU was already on probation for paying players with administrative awareness of the payments. They were given the death penalty for then deciding, on an administrative level, to continue paying players while on probation.

Nevin Shapiro did some despicable things, but the administration of the University wasn't involved in doling out these benefits. Whether they should have known this was going on or not is a different story. I hope the U survives.
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't think the NCAA will ever bring back the death penalty, but if they do, Miami will be up for it. Of course, the homer in me says the SMU stuff was worse:

SMU was already on probation for paying players with administrative awareness of the payments. They were given the death penalty for then deciding, on an administrative level, to continue paying players while on probation.

Nevin Shapiro did some despicable things, but the administration of the University wasn't involved in doling out these benefits. Whether they should have known this was going on or not is a different story. I hope the U survives.
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If I were a fan of Miami, I wouldn't be too concerned with how the NCAA addressed SMU in the 1970s and 80s. I'd be asking myself how this compares to the NCAA's handling of the USC/Reggie Bush situation.

Since USC got hammered for something that is demonstrably more insignificant compared to what has gone on with Miami, fans of "The U" should be very fearful for the future of their program now. The situation at Miami is of exponentially greater magnitude than the Reggie Bush/USC scandal.
 
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I have a question for those of you who know a thing or two about player eligibility rules. The story mentions Jeff Godfrey, starting QB for UCF as one of the players who received "benefits" but didn't end up at UM. Using what happened at OSU with Pryor and Co. as reference, is it safe to say that there's a good chance Godfrey will be suspended for a few games this year? If so, would it be wiser to sit him until this thing gets sorted out?

This would suck for UCF...they just lost their backup QB to a torn ACL, and Demarcus Smith was ruled ineligible by the clearinghouse, so they're down to Godfrey and some other guy. They're the favorites to win C-USA this year...if you're O'Leary, wth do you do now?
 
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HSVol said:
If I were a fan of Miami, I wouldn't be too concerned with how the NCAA addressed SMU in the 1970s and 80s. I'd be asking myself how this compares to the NCAA's handling of the USC/Reggie Bush situation.

Since USC got hammered for something that is demonstrably more insignificant compared to what has gone on with Miami, fans of "The U" should be very fearful for the future of their program now. The situation at Miami is of exponentially greater magnitude than the Reggie Bush/USC scandal.
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USC didn't get the death penalty. Their penalties look like a slap on the wrist compared to whay SMU got, so I'm happy with that comparison.

TV bans, bowl bans, even double digit scholarship losses for multiple years I can deal with and I fully expect to see. If Miami avoids the death penalty, I'll be content.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
USC didn't get the death penalty. Their penalties look like a slap on the wrist compared to whay SMU got, so I'm happy with that comparison.

TV bans, bowl bans, even double digit scholarship losses for multiple years I can deal with and I fully expect to see. If Miami avoids the death penalty, I'll be content.
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I said I wouldn't look at SMU.

I said look at what USC got and imagine something much worse.
 
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Lulu said:
I have a question for those of you who know a thing or two about player eligibility rules. The story mentions Jeff Godfrey, starting QB for UCF as one of the players who received "benefits" but didn't end up at UM. Using what happened at OSU with Pryor and Co. as reference, is it safe to say that there's a good chance Godfrey will be suspended for a few games this year? If so, would it be wiser to sit him until this thing gets sorted out?

This would suck for UCF...they just lost their backup QB to a torn ACL, and Demarcus Smith was ruled ineligible by the clearinghouse, so they're down to Godfrey and some other guy. They're the favorites to win C-USA this year...if you're O'Leary, wth do you do now?
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My understanding of the rules is that if a player receives impermissable benefits as a recruits, even from a school that he doesn't commit to, it can affect his eligibility. I don't know if that would completely disqualify Godfrey (and Patchan and another at UF, who were also named) for an entire season, their career, a few games, etc.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
USC didn't get the death penalty. Their penalties look like a slap on the wrist compared to whay SMU got, so I'm happy with that comparison.

TV bans, bowl bans, even double digit scholarship losses for multiple years I can deal with and I fully expect to see. If Miami avoids the death penalty, I'll be content.
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This will at least happen. So Miami is screwed. And fans, blame your administration. What a waste of money though on all those sucky teams the U churned out.
 
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volberry said:
This will at least happen. So Miami is screwed. And fans, blame your administration. What a waste of money though on all those sucky teams the U churned out.
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No isht. You'd think with that much money floating around there'd be a few bowl wins or a BCS appearance in there.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Again, USC didn't get the death penalty, so I'm happy with that comparison.
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Doubling USC's penalty would be a de facto death penalty, so I'm not sure you should be happy with that. It would almost certainly ensure that UM wouldn't field a competitive team for decades, so what's the difference?

It's not a stretch to say that the UM situation is 10 times worse than the USC situation. Doubling the USC sanction would be kind, given the precedent. I see no reason to be relieved of anything, ATP.
 
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I heard a rumor that there was a law student named Dan at the U who gave players free blowjobs and other sex acts from 05-08ish.
 
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FSU is recruiting too good to not even have won the ACC or even gone to a BCS game in yrs wonder if they knew about UM and said screw it we'll beat em at their own game
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't think the NCAA will ever bring back the death penalty, but if they do, Miami will be up for it. Of course, the homer in me says the SMU stuff was worse:

SMU was already on probation for paying players with administrative awareness of the payments. They were given the death penalty for then deciding, on an administrative level, to continue paying players while on probation.

Nevin Shapiro did some despicable things, but the administration of the University wasn't involved in doling out these benefits. Whether they should have known this was going on or not is a different story. I hope the U survives.
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as a Cane fan until they play UT :p
this is way worse IMO. I mean bounties for hurting players, all I can say is wow

prostitution and abortions

houses and thousands handed out

just don't see any hope
 
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HSVol said:
Doubling USC's penalty would be a de facto death penalty, so I'm not sure you should be happy with that. It would almost certainly ensure that UM wouldn't field a competitive team for decades, so what's the difference?

It's not a stretch to say that the UM situation is 10 times worse than the USC situation. Doubling the USC sanction would be kind, given the precedent. I see no reason to be relieved of anything, ATP.
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I second this!! And just imagine if they find out info on other boosters. I can see the ncaa giving them every penalty imaginible and just not calling it the DEATH penatly. Which would still be sufficient. Either way you cut it they will get worse than usc and osu combined and then some. Translation-your football team will be on par with vandy if that. Then the ACC and any league can question if you should even be in a BCS conference. This screws up all your sports. Good job UM administration.
 
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HSVol said:
Doubling USC's penalty would be a de facto death penalty, so I'm not sure you should be happy with that. It would almost certainly ensure that UM wouldn't field a competitive team for decades, so what's the difference?

It's not a stretch to say that the UM situation is 10 times worse than the USC situation. Doubling the USC sanction would be kind, given the precedent. I see no reason to be relieved of anything, ATP.
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USC got a 2 year bowl ban, loss of 30 scholarships over 3 years and 4 years probation.

4 year bowl ban, loss of scholarships for 5 years and probation. I can live with it. USC will be back in 3-4 years. Miami would take longer to recover. I'll take that in a heartbeat.
 
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