Year Two: win a bowl game or go sit in the hot seat

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Exfix said:
Which 6 are "no-brainer" wins? I see 2: UTC and Kentucky. None of the rest are. Oh, and Vegas says we don't go bowling this year apparently.
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I'll be honest with you, after watching this week's Game of Thrones (albeit late), I'm not sure I can think straight yet. Is Game of Thrones the zenith of television? I might rate it higher than Buffy now.

But if we can't beat Utah whomever and arky whoszat? and this year's MO, then we have a problem at the top.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the opinion circulating that Butch is overpaid, I think it is time to put down the metric for which Year Two will be judged.

Getting to a bowl game is an absolute minimum. Butch is making big boy dinero and he left wins on the field last year. We can forgive (because look who coached them the year before) but there are six no-brainer wins on our schedule and this team is already more than half his.

With the talent he has brought in, an extra month of practice, and we should absolutely handle any low tier bowl opponent. A 6 - 7 year and I think the heat should be on (and rightly so).

I like Butch, and I like almost everything he has done to date in Orange. At the end of the day though, Ws are the only coin of the realm. I think winning a bowl game is a successful Year Two. *

* (anything above 7-wins and the season is a big success as well, bowl game not included)
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6 "no brainer wins"? Where I got 6 potential wins, 4-5 probable wins..... I only see maybe 2 "no brainer wins".... Chattanooga and Kentucky.
 
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sjt18 said:
Speaking of "depths"... you do understand that being on a "hot seat" after two losing seasons is not the same as being "fired" after two losing seasons, right?

BTW, ALL of you guys are making arguments that would have applied equally well to Dooley after year 3. "We don't have the money to change". "Not enough time to clean up the mess". "Program needs stability more than anything else".

If you want to win, you look for and demand excellence from the HC position. Jones understands that fully... I'm not sure why so many here bristle at it.
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I hated the Dooley hire. He was loser before he came to UT. Its plainly obvious that you really don't understand what bad shape this program has been in since Fulmer was fired. Its only now that we are beginning, BEGINNING to dig ourselves out of the hole.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I'll be honest with you, after watching this week's Game of Thrones (albeit late), I'm not sure I can think straight yet. Is Game of Thrones the zenith of television? I might rate it higher than Buffy now.

But if we can't beat Utah whomever and arky whoszat? and this year's MO, then we have a problem at the top.
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Wins vs Utah St and Arky St are probable, just not no-brainers IMO
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I hated the Dooley hire. He was loser before he came to UT. Its plainly obvious that you really don't understand what bad shape this program has been in since Fulmer was fired.
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False. I understood the direction the program took from about 2000 on... and pretty much where it would end up if Fulmer didn't start holding his asst's accountable starting with Sanders.

For what little it is actually worth... I haven't "loved" any of the hires they've made since Fulmer. I probably "like" the Jones hire best of the 3 but I'm not sold on him yet.

Its only now that we are beginning, BEGINNING to dig ourselves out of the hole.
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Then there should be signs of that, correct? Tangible signs. Jones thinks so. He said that the '13 team failed to meet expectations by failing to make a bowl. He said that was the minimum expectation going forward.

You may not think it fair. But the reality is that he needs the momentum created by improving results on the field. He needs it for fans and boosters but most of all for recruiting. I have said for a long time now that UT MUST hire an elite coach to turn this around. An elite coach will win games when he has a talent disadvantage.

I LIKE that Jones sets a high bar. He doesn't mind putting pressure on himself. He has a correct understanding of the situation and KNOWS he doesn't have the amount of time many of you right now thing he should or will get.
 
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#156
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the opinion circulating that Butch is overpaid, I think it is time to put down the metric for which Year Two will be judged.

Getting to a bowl game is an absolute minimum. Butch is making big boy dinero and he left wins on the field last year. We can forgive (because look who coached them the year before) but there are six no-brainer wins on our schedule and this team is already more than half his.

With the talent he has brought in, an extra month of practice, and we should absolutely handle any low tier bowl opponent. A 6 - 7 year and I think the heat should be on (and rightly so).

I like Butch, and I like almost everything he has done to date in Orange. At the end of the day though, Ws are the only coin of the realm. I think winning a bowl game is a successful Year Two. *

* (anything above 7-wins and the season is a big success as well, bowl game not included)
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Who said Butch is overpaid with the exception of an article which was pretty much...well stupid.

I don't care what the record is right now. All we should want is consistent improvement which we have had to date in Recruiting, Academics, Strength and Conditioning, Fan Support, Program Buzz, player's attitude, stability and the list goes on and on.

You get it don't you, well evidently you don't. He should win 6 at least, but if he doesn't the world is not going to come to an end except for a small few.

Hot Seat demands if he doesn't shows nothing but fan's expectations, instant gratification, and unreasonableness.

I can't wait until some of you have nothing to complain about. If he wins 12 games next year there will be a woulda, coulda or shoulda outcry from some. Just drama is all some of you want. Chronic complainers....
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Who said Butch is overpaid with the exception of an article which was pretty much...well stupid.

I don't care what the record is right now. All we should want is consistent improvement which we have had to date in Recruiting, Academics, Strength and Conditioning, Fan Support, Program Buzz, player's attitude, stability and the list goes on and on.

You get it don't you, well evidently you don't. He should win 6 at least, but if he doesn't the world is not going to come to an end except for a small few.

Hot Seat demands if he doesn't shows nothing but fan's expectations, instant gratification, and unreasonableness.

I can't wait until some of you have nothing to complain about. If he wins 12 games next year there will be a woulda, coulda or shoulda outcry from some. Just drama is all some of you want. Chronic complainers....
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I don't need 12 wins. I don't even need 7. I just want to see improvement... which this year ONLY requires him to beat the teams with less talent than he has. Mizzou is likely the toughest of those wins... and it is a home game late in the season after they've had a long time to coach up the young talent.

The world won't come to an end. But his ability to sell recruits on success just around the corner will.
 
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As long as he brings in top 10 recruiting classes and I see player improvement, I'll stand behind Jones. B/c if he can do that we'll get back to where we need to be in the win category.
 
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champyvol said:
i agree he has to get to a bowl game this year and show he can coach. if not the stands will reflect it and he will be on the hot seat. i believe without a bowl game this year hart will be on the firing block as well.
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Hart should be directly in the crosshairs.

I'm keen to see what Donnie Knoxville can do, but what we have learned about Hart is that he will most definitely sit on his hands and not lead.

A leader would have had Gruden in Knoxville already. A leader would have had Pat Riley or his equivalent.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Hart should be directly in the crosshairs.

I'm keen to see what Donnie Knoxville can do, but what we have learned about Hart is that he will most definitely sit on his hands and not lead.

A leader would have had Gruden in Knoxville already. A leader would have had Pat Riley or his equivalent.
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This.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Hart should be directly in the crosshairs.

I'm keen to see what Donnie Knoxville can do, but what we have learned about Hart is that he will most definitely sit on his hands and not lead.

A leader would have had Gruden in Knoxville already. A leader would have had Pat Riley or his equivalent.
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To coach in Knoxville?
 
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white65 said:
As long as he brings in top 10 recruiting classes and I see player improvement, I'll stand behind Jones. B/c if he can do that we'll get back to where we need to be in the win category.
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How do you measure that if not by wins?
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't need 12 wins. I don't even need 7. I just want to see improvement... which this year ONLY requires him to beat the teams with less talent than he has. Mizzou is likely the toughest of those wins... and it is a home game late in the season after they've had a long time to coach up the young talent.

The world won't come to an end. But his ability to sell recruits on success just around the corner will.
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I am not disagreeing with you....the overpaid statement hit me wrong along with the hot seat argument...

I honestly think we pick up a win we are not suppose to win. An Upset...somewhere in this mix. We are due.

Wear and tear combined with depth are concerns for this team.
 
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The way the contract is written, it would probably be prohibitively expensive to terminate Jones before his fourth year unless he completely craters. Hot seat or not.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the opinion circulating that Butch is overpaid, I think it is time to put down the metric for which Year Two will be judged.

Getting to a bowl game is an absolute minimum. Butch is making big boy dinero and he left wins on the field last year. We can forgive (because look who coached them the year before) but there are six no-brainer wins on our schedule and this team is already more than half his.

With the talent he has brought in, an extra month of practice, and we should absolutely handle any low tier bowl opponent. A 6 - 7 year and I think the heat should be on (and rightly so).

I like Butch, and I like almost everything he has done to date in Orange. At the end of the day though, Ws are the only coin of the realm. I think winning a bowl game is a successful Year Two. *

* (anything above 7-wins and the season is a big success as well, bowl game not included)
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Do you think you know anything about real life?
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the opinion circulating that Butch is overpaid, I think it is time to put down the metric for which Year Two will be judged.

Getting to a bowl game is an absolute minimum. Butch is making big boy dinero and he left wins on the field last year. We can forgive (because look who coached them the year before) but there are six no-brainer wins on our schedule and this team is already more than half his.

With the talent he has brought in, an extra month of practice, and we should absolutely handle any low tier bowl opponent. A 6 - 7 year and I think the heat should be on (and rightly so).

I like Butch, and I like almost everything he has done to date in Orange. At the end of the day though, Ws are the only coin of the realm. I think winning a bowl game is a successful Year Two. *

* (anything above 7-wins and the season is a big success as well, bowl game not included)
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Sorry to tell you this but in my opinion Tennessee administration does not have a minimum requirement for this head coach to win a bowl or even get there this season.

They understand many fans will have that requirement but doesn't mean they have to.

Lot of people who would be involved in decision understand the team not ready for those to be requirements. You don't put a metric on a second year coach of X wins. othey look for lots of improvements but games can be lost through no fault of a coach.
 
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SGMVols said:
UT can go bowling without having to beat anyone better than Vanderbilt. Jones absolutely deserves to go on the hot seat for 2015 if we're home for Christmas this season.
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Utah State
Arky State
UTC
Vandy
Kentucky

Who remaining on the schedule is no better than Vandy?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Sorry to tell you this but in my opinion Tennessee administration does not have a minimum requirement for this head coach to win a bowl or even get there this season.

They understand many fans will have that requirement but doesn't mean they have to.

Lot of people who would be involved in decision understand the team not ready for those to be requirements. You don't put a metric on a second year coach of X wins. othey look for lots of improvements but games can be lost through no fault of a coach.
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Rational thinking has no place on this message board. Saban won 12 games in his second season Bama and Auburn went from worst to first last year. SEC Championship this year or he's gone. /NOT
 
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