Yeezus

#77
#77
Chris4Vols22 said:
I'm not saying anyone's opinion is invalid, but it's obvious that unfair generalizations are being made.

If being able to play guitar and sing means you have no talent, I guest the Beatles were terrible too, huh? All they did were simple chord progressions, and wrote lyrics to appeal to the teeny bopper demographic.

Sounds absurd, right? There's so much more to it.
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Wow.
 
#79
#79
Oh, and nice personal insult btw. I'll put my music and/or my band's music to the plate any day, and we'll see who knows a thing or two about talent.
 
#84
#84
I'm not insulting you man. Just don't make stupid comparisons that's all.

And definitely don't imply that TAYLOR SWIFT AND THE BEATLES HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON.
 
#85
#85
mrorange211 said:
I'm not insulting you man. Just don't make stupid comparisons that's all.

And definitely don't imply that TAYLOR SWIFT AND THE BEATLES HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON.
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Well, there are plenty of common elements, but the whole point of that post was to say how absurd of a statement that is.

And I know you weren't insulting me dude, that was not directed at you.
 
#86
#86
I still don't understand why we're talking about Taylor Swift on a Kanye thread. Is it just because of how he acted like a child when she won her award a few years ago?

Bashing Taylor Swift and Kanye are two different things.
When a person is a megalomaniac like Kanye, it's just fun to pick on him. He kind of brings it on himself.
I don't see what's fun about picking on a pop artist like Taylor Swift. She clearly isn't trying to write meaningful music, she's trying to sell records. She gets that, and is wildly successful. She keeps her mouth shut about issues she knows nothing about, so I just never see a reason to pay her much attention at all. I may laugh when I hear a lyric like, "We are never ever ever getting back together...like, ever", but I know I'm not her demo.
 
#87
#87
mrorange211 said:
The best track on the album, I think. I love how the song starts out using a synthesizer like 808's, and then he drops the bass.

So good. I've listened to it six times this AM.
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It's amazing. Guilt Trip feat. Cudi and Bound 2 are my other favorites. I'm loving this album.
 
#88
#88
mrorange211 said:
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read on this board, and that is saying a lot.

Kanye has reinvented himself time and time again, and he continues to produce excellent albums that are lyrically on point. His albums, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy & Graduation, alone cement his legacy in the hip hop world; Yeezus will only add strength to his claim of being the greatest rapper alive (because he is). I don't like the guy, but I still respect the product he delivers each and every time. I don't like Nick Saban, but at least I can respect what he has done with the Alabama football program.

Who exactly do you think is a good hip hop artist?
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This is where you lose me. Better rappers alive he's not even top ten (in terms of lyricism, cadence, metaphors/similes, production, chart success, sales, all of it). He's arguably the best producer and a top seller. That's where it ends really. Eminem is better, Dre is better, Jay, Andre 3000, Nas, hell I could argue Common and Lupe as better Over All rappers than he is. The best rapper right now in terms of recent is Kendrick Lamar, and its really not close.

Yeezus is huge, Kanye IS one of the greatest in his own right, but its in the production studio he does his best work. Most of the rappers I just mentioned would spit circles around him, and have, some on his own tracks.



heartvols said:
Vanilla Ice
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My phone cut out before I could comment. I had a whitty one liner but now it just seems pointless.
 
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Daloth said:
This is where you lose me. Better rappers alive he's not even top ten (in terms of lyricism, cadence, metaphors/similes, production, chart success, sales, all of it). He's arguably the best producer and a top seller. That's where it ends really. Eminem is better, Dre is better, Jay, Andre 3000, Nas, hell I could argue Common and Lupe as better Over All rappers than he is. The best rapper right now in terms of recent is Kendrick Lamar, and its really not close.

Yeezus is huge, Kanye IS one of the greatest in his own right, but its in the production studio he does his best work. Most of the rappers I just mentioned would spit circles around him, and have, some on his own tracks.
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You lost me at Dre.
 
#90
#90
GahLee said:
You lost me at Dre.
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I need say nothing more than The Chronic. And that's not counting his N.W.A. time.

Maybe you're just a kanye fan and not a rap/hip hop fan. Very few people will even try and argue that there are many out there better than Dre in his prime, and the argument was "rappers alive."

That really only eliminates Biggy and Tupac in terms of greats. Hell, Flava Flav was relevant as a rap artist at one point and he's somehow still alive despite finding a red dwarf inside of Brigitte Nielson's vag.
 
#92
#92
Daloth said:
This is where you lose me. Better rappers alive he's not even top ten (in terms of lyricism, cadence, metaphors/similes, production, chart success, sales, all of it). He's arguably the best producer and a top seller. That's where it ends really. Eminem is better, Dre is better, Jay, Andre 3000, Nas, hell I could argue Common and Lupe as better Over All rappers than he is. The best rapper right now in terms of recent is Kendrick Lamar, and its really not close.

Yeezus is huge, Kanye IS one of the greatest in his own right, but its in the production studio he does his best work. Most of the rappers I just mentioned would spit circles around him, and have, some on his own tracks.





My phone cut out before I could comment. I had a whitty one liner but now it just seems pointless.
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Fair and accurate points. :hi:
 
#93
#93
mrorange211 said:
Fair and accurate points. :hi:
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This isn't directed at you in general because I believe you understand hip hop and rap a bit, but most people really don't seem to understand just how difficult rap really is.

You are essentially two things:

1. a musician for the obvious reasons
2. A poet for, really, obvious reasons

some can actually sing half decently or produce, you can, in theory, be five things if you can play an instrument (and most can at least play one instrument decently.)

Using eminem as an example, If you look at the rhyme scheme of "Lose Yourself", at the cadence he does it, he has an internal rhyme scheme the likes of which some of the greatest poets of all time couldn't duplicate, let alone in a set rhythm. I've read Poe, Frost, the epic of Gilgamesh and the Canterbury Tales, Poets that some people have never heard of, and they are amazing in their own right. But there is no way you could supplant Emily Dickenson, Thoreau, etc. into today's world and their work be successful like it was, but you could take Tupac in his prime, or Grandmaster Flash, etc. and send them back in time and tell them "You don't get a beat, now write things that touch people about nature, life, the world, etc." and most of them could do it.

There are very few common people who can name five poets from today's era without having to look it up. But, in fifty years, How many people are going to remember the greater rap artists? It's been over twenty years since the furious five, publik enemy, Queen Latifah's debut, and people still can name them.

The world is changing, art is different (Video games are art now, who would've ever imagined that? when Super Mario Bros 3 sold a couple million copies in the 90's), and poetry is sadly, slowly dying. But it's not going extinct. Now, it just has a spot for the bass to drop and samples a lyric from Erykah Badu in betwen stanzas.
 
#94
#94
Listened to the entire CD tonight for the first time. Horrible
 
#95
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Daloth said:
I need say nothing more than The Chronic. And that's not counting his N.W.A. time.

Maybe you're just a kanye fan and not a rap/hip hop fan. Very few people will even try and argue that there are many out there better than Dre in his prime, and the argument was "rappers alive."

That really only eliminates Biggy and Tupac in terms of greats. Hell, Flava Flav was relevant as a rap artist at one point and he's somehow still alive despite finding a red dwarf inside of Brigitte Nielson's vag.
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Great album. So was 2001. Dre doesn't write his own raps, he's automatically disqualified.
 
#97
#97
I'm not really a fan of his. I havent put in hours of listening to him or even attempted every album. When I force myself to listen to one of his albums I usually find 2-3 tracks that are great and the rest is average to unlistenable. As a lyricist he is below average but can hit an inside the park home run every now and then. I will give him his due for his production skills ranking amongst the best in the hip hop/pop genre.

Having said that, I only made it 4 tracks into Yeezus before turning it off. I swear I think my 2 year old could have gone into the production booth, banged mindlessly on the equipment and come very close to some of those "beats". Lyrics were on par with his usual stuff.

I do give him credit for trying something different though. I will give the album another shot in a couple of days while I mow the lawn.
 
#98
#98
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I'm not really a fan of his. I havent put in hours of listening to him or even attempted every album. When I force myself to listen to one of his albums I usually find 2-3 tracks that are great and the rest is average to unlistenable. As a lyricist he is below average but can hit an inside the park home run every now and then. I will give him his due for his production skills ranking amongst the best in the hip hop/pop genre.

Having said that, I only made it 4 tracks into Yeezus before turning it off. I swear I think my 2 year old could have gone into the production booth, banged mindlessly on the equipment and come very close to some of those "beats". Lyrics were on par with his usual stuff.

I do give him credit for trying something different though. I will give the album another shot in a couple of days while I mow the lawn.
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Best tracks are Blood on the Leaves, Bound 2, and probably Hold My Liquor. In that order. the first two are way better than anything else on the album though IMO.

but Blood on the Leaves has Nina Simone to help, so.
 
#99
#99
Daloth said:
Best tracks are Blood on the Leaves, Bound 2, and probably Hold My Liquor. In that order. the first two are way better than anything else on the album though IMO.

but Blood on the Leaves has Nina Simone to help, so.
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Listened to it all the way thru twice today. I would agree with your selection of tracks. I really liked Blood on the Leaves except for the obvious AutoTuned vocals.

It's a solid album. I would give it a 7/10. It's prob not one I would pull back out again after a few months but it is solid.
 
#100
#100
Panthro said:
Haven't heard anyone call those other artists geniuses.
Don't get it twisted, I enjoy rap. I was one of the first radio personalities ever to go on the air for HOT 104.5. I was offered the music director job there.
I grew up on Biggie, 2pac, Wu Tang, Nas, Dre, etc.
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Bwahahahaaaaa!!!!!

Validating you're stance on rap for being a "personality" on 104.5 Knoxville radio is rather comical....

That station is a joke.

Courtesy of a guy who lived in Chicago and Atlanta who heard actual rap radio stations....

And what an anomaly.... growing up to Biggie, 2pac, Wu Tang, Nas, Dre, etc... No other mid 20 to upper 30 year old did that!!!


Apologies, didn't mean to "get it twisted".
 
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