Yes, more guns are the answer

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Lexvol said:
I mean no disrespect to the deputy in saying this, but here is the thing. You sign up for the military there is a chance you are going to be shot at. You sign up for duty as a police office/deputy, there is a chance you will be shot at.

Coke is illegal. I don't know anybody that wants it who cannot get their hands on it when they want it badly enough. You stop gun sales and the exact same thing will happen.

On top of that we will fill the jails with 17 year olds busted for buying guns for nothing more than a cheap thrill. It will be as successful in filling the prisons as the war on drugs.
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More officers are killed every year in wrecks than are shot by guns.

We know when we put on the badge that we may face this one day. Gun control will solve nothing

It will only make the innocent people weaker and the criminals stronger.
 
#27
#27
lawgator1 said:
Fewer guns = less chance down the line that a thug will have one. Its simply a fact.

The argument that the horse is out of the barn isn't very appealing to the deputy's family killed 10 years from now by one made and bought next year.

And believe it or not there are people who insist that "open carry" would prevent these things. Irrational.
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yes, because Great Britain is a crime- and gun-free utopia
 
#28
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lawgator1 said:
Fewer guns = less chance down the line that a thug will have one. Its simply a fact.

The argument that the horse is out of the barn isn't very appealing to the deputy's family killed 10 years from now by one made and bought next year.

And believe it or not there are people who insist that "open carry" would prevent these things. Irrational.
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why do the cities or towns that have strict gun laws have the higher crime rates?
 
#30
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lawgator1 said:
Irrelevant. The point of a handgun is to shoot someone. That is its sole purpose.
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Absurd. I've fired literally thousands of handgun rounds in at least 10 different calibers and not a single one of them has ever been aimed at, much less actually shot, another person.

But hey, let's make sure only the bad guys have guns:

Man Thwarts Robbery by Shooting at Suspect

RCSO seek second suspect in deadly weekend robbery attempt

[UPDATE] Armed Robbery at Bill's Mini Mart in Tallahassee

Intruder was shot after warning, police say

Homeowner Shoots Intruder - KRMG Local News on krmg.com

Note these are all quite recent and just what I could quickly find. I assure you there is LOTS more where this came from.
 
#32
#32
If you ban guns, criminals will still get them illegally. Don't spew the argument that it would be harder for them to get, so would cut down on the ability for them to get them. Akin to same argument with drugs. If I want drugs, I can go get some in the matter of minutes, even though they are illegal. Plus, the vast majority of guns used by criminals were bought on the streets and are not registered now to begin with.

Banning a fundamental Constitutional right for law-abiding citizens because of the acts of criminals is disturbing.
 
#34
#34
The gun ban is really working in Mexico isn't it? It is a complete disaster in Chicago as well.

Chicago Police Department statistics, we are told, reveal that the City's handgun murder rate has actually increased since the ban was enacted and that Chicago residents now face one of the highest murder rates in the country and rates of other violent crimes that exceed the average in comparable cities.
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Chicago Gun Ban Axed After Violent Weekend: At Least 29 Shot, 3 Dead In Weekend Shootings
 
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#35
the US DOJ's own statistics show that states and cities that have enacted conceal/carry and open carry laws have significantly reduced crime rates.
 
#39
#39
MG1968 said:
the US DOJ's own statistics show that states and cities that have enacted conceal/carry and open carry laws have significantly reduced crime rates.
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Less guns = less opportunity for gun violence.

Greater regulation reduces the number of guns in homes and in cars, which is where a large number of the guns stolen by, or sold to, criminals come from.

No amount of tortured logic or manipulated statistics can overcome the simple reality that more guns = more use of guns.
 
#40
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lawgator1 said:
Two St Pete officers shot and killed today while trying to serve a warrant. Guy shoots up Detroit police station. Guy shot I think it was three or four deputies last week in Miami. Tuscon shooter.

And on it goes. Good thing, though, that in the event we are invaded by Canada all those guys will be part of their state's militia.
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Because prohibition always works.
 
#41
#41
lawgator1 said:
Two St Pete officers shot and killed today while trying to serve a warrant. Guy shoots up Detroit police station. Guy shot I think it was three or four deputies last week in Miami. Tuscon shooter.

And on it goes. Good thing, though, that in the event we are invaded by Canada all those guys will be part of their state's militia.
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So when I walk into Green Hills mall and I see the no gun sign and walk back to my car do you think the thug walking into the mall at the same time walks back and puts his gun in the car too?

Gun laws only stop law abiding citizens from carrying guns. I am not allowed to carry a gun on a playground so if something goes down I can protect my family but you think that stops a kidnapper and he puts his guns away too?

Guns are not going anywhere. All laws do is prevent the good people from carrying. Criminals will still find guns.

This arguement is stupid.
 
#42
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lawgator1 said:
Less guns = less opportunity for gun violence.

Greater regulation reduces the number of guns in homes and in cars, which is where a large number of the guns stolen by, or sold to, criminals come from.

No amount of tortured logic or manipulated statistics can overcome the simple reality that more guns = more use of guns.
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The fly in your turd sandwich is that guns and gun users are independent variables.
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#47
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lawgator1 said:
But gun users cannot use guns to commit violence if they don't have them.
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Yup and drug users really have a hard time getting illegal drugs nowadays huh? Enforcement won't deter criminals from getting guns anymore than it does keeping drugs out of the hands of drug dealers.
 
#48
#48
lawgator1 said:
Less guns = less opportunity for gun violence.

Greater regulation reduces the number of guns in homes and in cars, which is where a large number of the guns stolen by, or sold to, criminals come from.

No amount of tortured logic or manipulated statistics can overcome the simple reality that more guns = more use of guns.
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Only tortured logic could make one think that an approach that disarms the good guys makes sense. Earlier in this thread I threw out just a tiny sampling of regular citizens protecting themselves against criminals with firearms. It happens all the freaking time. And those examples used actual shootings. The vast majority of the time merely producing the weapon is enough to convince the bad guy(s) they have better places to be.

A gun is an inanimate object and is only as good or bad as the hand weilding it. Since there is simply no possible argument with any merit that can be made for being able to keep guns out of the hands of criminals (any more than we can drugs, etc) it's ludicrous to think a good plan would be to take them out of the hands of the law abiding.
 
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