Young/Anderson/Hyatt

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pimo1 said:
that's apples<oranges. If Jalin plays and gets hurt or looks really bad it hurts his stock. Young and Anderson are such high picks that even if they get hurt they still go first round. Lets say Jalin plays and balls out he is still not even guaranteed a first-rounder. He has one good year of tape and is a type of player only certain teams are even looking for. Those 2 have very little to lose and Jalin has nothing to gain. Its a bad business decision for all of them to play in the bowl game TBH.
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pimo1 said:
that's apples<oranges. If Jalin plays and gets hurt or looks really bad it hurts his stock. Young and Anderson are such high picks that even if they get hurt they still go first round. Lets say Jalin plays and balls out he is still not even guaranteed a first-rounder. He has one good year of tape and is a type of player only certain teams are even looking for. Those 2 have very little to lose and Jalin has nothing to gain. Its a bad business decision for all of them to play in the bowl game TBH.
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Valid point. Clemson has a pretty good defense. Conversely, Smith-Njigba will be a high picks on the heels of the Rose Bowl performance from a year ago. He hasn't done anything this year. Hyatt could ball out and be one of the top wrs taken.
 
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#129
Grouse Stalker said:
Valid point. Clemson has a pretty good defense. Conversely, Smith-Njigba will be a high picks on the heels of the Rose Bowl performance from a year ago. He hasn't done anything this year. Hyatt could ball out and be one of the top wrs taken.
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100%

The idea that another 5TD game doesn’t help Hyatt isn’t reality. It’s a risk he doesn’t want to take tho.
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Heupel didn't advise his players to skip the game. That's just silly talk.
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Heupel sat down with his players individually to discuss their NFL futures vs. playing in the bowl game. Each individual conversation was different. Tillman's decision was a no brainer. In Hyatt's case they would have weighed the pros and cons. Hyatt is the only Junior entering the NFL draft. He doesn't get to do the Senior Bowl, or East/West shrine game. He gets the combine and his pro day. Hyatt being a 1st round draft pick benefits the program much more than him playing in the bowl game. So yes, Heupel would advise his players on the best course of action for them individually. That's what good coaches do.
 
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#132
I don’t like people opting out of bowls, but bowls are a glorified exhibition game. They don’t mean anything. Why would Hyatt risk tearing an ACL, drop rounds in the draft, for a glorified exhibition game? It doesn’t make any sense, business or other wise. This isn’t the 90’s where bowls actually meant something. And get used to it because bowls are just going to keep losing their value when the playoff goes to 12. If everyone cared this much about bowl games we should have kept the old BCS model. Now the regular season and bowl games matter less and less every year.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Some folks feel like they own the dang restaurant because they eat there a lot. They don't. If the restaurant changes the menu or a chef leaves, you either adapt or go elsewhere.

There's no going elsewhere for me so I adapt.

Do I like it? No. Do I complain about it in public? Why? Does it help?

Does it help make the next chef stay or just make my experience worse?

You decide.
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Eventually if opt outs lead to the bowl games just being glorified "scrimmages", fans will opt out of both going to and watching the bowl games. The matchups in the NY6 games were intended to be the best with the very good teams that did not make the playoffs to generate $$$'s for the both the sponsor and the area where they are played.

The question is whether the expansion of the playoffs to 12 teams (or more) will remedy the opt out situation for those 12 teams, given that it will add 3 possibly 4 more chances for a player to sustain an injury. Will a player value the chance to win a national championship for the TEAM enough to take that chance? I think players will eventually opt out of meaningful games too and maybe even regular season games if they think they have done enough.
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Valid point. Clemson has a pretty good defense. Conversely, Smith-Njigba will be a high picks on the heels of the Rose Bowl performance from a year ago. He hasn't done anything this year. Hyatt could ball out and be one of the top wrs taken.
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Smith-Njigba is a bit like Tillman... he came in this year with a lot of hype and got hurt. He was always hyped. Hyatt came out of nowhere.. even UT fans didn't see it coming. A lot of us figured he'd step up some but no one was like, dudes gonna break pretty much every UT receiving record this year.

The one good thing going for Hyatt is Velus Jones. He hasn't tore up the NFL but he is sticking in there on the Bears' depth chart. IF UT can become a pipeline for WR's again like OSU is then that helps guys coming out the program. OSU WR's get the benefit of the doubt (deserved) because the school has a track record for putting 1st round WR's in the league. In recent history we don't but that's slowly changing.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
All I gotta say is that if I was an NFL GM it would matter to me. I think it says something about the player's view of the ole TEAM-me dynamic. That's always been my opinion and I'm not changing because it's one of our guys sitting out. IDGAF what anybody says this is a huge game for this program. We have not been to one of the original major bowls in 20+ years. That means alot to this fanbase and it should mean alot to this team, especially it's ostensible leaders. I bet Hendon Hooker would be playing if he was healthy.
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College football is a business; the NFL is bigger business and GM's make business decisions. This won't matter one whit to any GM.
Do you hold the same dim view of portal transferees quitting on their team? Should Heupel not take these quitters who forfeit their school scholarship and abandon their team mates and fans?

Say, wasn't Hooker one of those quitters? I think we have a team littered with them. Ooops....
 
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volfan102455 said:
Eventually if opt outs lead to the bowl games just being glorified "scrimmages", fans will opt out of both going to and watching the bowl games. The matchups in the NY6 games were intended to be the best with the very good teams that did not make the playoffs to generate $$$'s for the both the sponsor and the area where they are played.

The question is whether the expansion of the playoffs to 12 teams (or more) will remedy the opt out situation for those 12 teams, given that it will add 3 possibly 4 more chances for a player to sustain an injury. Will a player value the chance to win a national championship for the TEAM enough to take that chance? I think players will eventually opt out of meaningful games too and maybe even regular season games if they think they have done enough.
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Meh, revenue for the bowls is ESPN's problem (and the bowl paydays for the schools,) not the player's problem.

Fans and sponsors have no leverage over players. Even NIL sponsors have no leverage over players.

The expanded playoffs might decrease opt outs BUT you're adding games and injury risk with each game so who knows.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
All I gotta say is that if I was an NFL GM it would matter to me. I think it says something about the player's view of the ole TEAM-me dynamic. That's always been my opinion and I'm not changing because it's one of our guys sitting out. IDGAF what anybody says this is a huge game for this program. We have not been to one of the original major bowls in 20+ years. That means alot to this fanbase and it should mean alot to this team, especially it's ostensible leaders. I bet Hendon Hooker would be playing if he was healthy.
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All I gotta say is that if that NFL GM is paying a man multi-million dollars to play, he'll play.

If a college isn't paying multi-million dollars to play, he'll save his injury risk for someone who will pay him in a few months.

That's like lowering your tax burden as much as possible...... a very smart decision whether it looks ethical to outsiders or not.

And Alabama released a statement about Young and Anderson saying they had "insured them as much as possible against financial risk due to injury in the bowl game." Either UT didn't or couldn't insure Hyatt enough to make it worth his while to play.

Follow the money. I can ASSURE you an NFL owner and GM follow the money very carefully.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
I don’t disagree….I just can’t figure out why the Orange bowl is such a huge injury risk but Vandy wasn’t.
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Vandy is mandatory regular season game; the schools have to play. Bowl games are elective. Hyatt and Tillman finished the schedule, the team won no SECC and has no CFP position. They're skipping the elective game.

Without injury, both stand to earn wealth that can change generations of a family.
 
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zjcvols said:
I think sometimes we forget these guys get a ton on information through Tennessee and agents. They aren’t making these decisions blindly. There’s probably a reason Hyatt opted out and Wright didn’t despite being in the same range. If an agent or Tennessee is saying “Hey Jalin, we’ve talked with multiple pro personnel and there’s nothing you can do in the bowl game that will improve your stock.”
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I agree he couldn’t help any in this game but he could actually hurt himself either physically or in the heads of analysts. If he comes out and has a couple of drops due to not being used to the velocity of JM or he just don’t get many targets and has a pedestrian game Then you have some saying was it just Hooker and being wide open in Hueples O etc., just really no upside except being a warrior in the mind of fans.
 
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amstelman said:
Saban: "...As an institution, we've minimized the risk of them playing in the game by insuring them the best that we possibly can so that they're not taking a big risk by playing."

Respect to players that feel the need to opt out and respect to those that choose to play, but, OMG... What the heck does that mean?
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WHAT A CROCK OF SABAN BS!!!!!!! This man has no shame.
 
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NCFisher said:
Vandy is mandatory regular season game; the schools have to play. Bowl games are elective. Hyatt and Tillman finished the schedule, the team won no SECC and has no CFP position. They're skipping the elective game.

Without injury, both stand to earn wealth that can change generations of a family.
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I dunno…. I only played college baseball. We had early round picks on our team. I don’t ever recall anyone ever treating a game as optional 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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#143
NCFisher said:
Vandy is mandatory regular season game; the schools have to play. Bowl games are elective. Hyatt and Tillman finished the schedule, the team won no SECC and has no CFP position. They're skipping the elective game.

Without injury, both stand to earn wealth that can change generations of a family.
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Skipping the biggest game we’ve been to as a program in 15-17 years. 100+ Career games never had a major injury, but this is definitely the one to be worried about. Makes sense

🤯🤯
 
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bigl3327 said:
Heupel sat down with his players individually to discuss their NFL futures vs. playing in the bowl game. Each individual conversation was different. Tillman's decision was a no brainer. In Hyatt's case they would have weighed the pros and cons. Hyatt is the only Junior entering the NFL draft. He doesn't get to do the Senior Bowl, or East/West shrine game. He gets the combine and his pro day. Hyatt being a 1st round draft pick benefits the program much more than him playing in the bowl game. So yes, Heupel would advise his players on the best course of action for them individually. That's what good coaches do.
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Advising a scholarship player not to play in a game would be professional malpractice. Didn't happen.
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Advising a scholarship player not to play in a game would be professional malpractice. Didn't happen.
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Malpractice is convincing a player to do something post season and not in the playoffs that could be a great detriment to their financial future. Heupel's financial future doesn't change by Hyatt opting out.
 
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bigl3327 said:
Malpractice is convincing a player to do something post season and not in the playoffs that could be a great detriment to their financial future. Heupel's financial future doesn't change by Hyatt opting out.
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Coaches with 2 loss seasons get better extensions than coaches with 3 loss seasons - usually. Believe what you want but your coach is pushing kids to the portal just the same as Saban and Kirby.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
I dunno…. I only played college baseball. We had early round picks on our team. I don’t ever recall anyone ever treating a game as optional 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Things have obviously changed since then. Now the NCAA and schools can't treat players like cartel assets.

Stonewall83 said:
Skipping the biggest game we’ve been to as a program in 15-17 years. 100+ Career games never had a major injury, but this is definitely the one to be worried about. Makes sense

🤯🤯
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It isn't close to the biggest game; that was the FL, AL, and GA games. SC was 'bigger', and LSU. It's the "biggest" to you and some fans placing too much emotional emphasis on it. Makes sense....

This was Hyatt's breakout season, not the prior 90 career games. There's a difference the games you played to become a high draft choice, and then actually being one. If he elected to play anyway, great - his choice. If he thinks I'm on the precipice and no need to jeopardize it, great - his choice. You already read instances of players being injured late and losing $$. Tillman's status may cost him money.

You don't see it because you - John Fan - don't want to.

I think Clemson would be the favorite with or without Hyatt/Tillman.
 
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