Young/Anderson/Hyatt

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NCFisher said:
Things have obviously changed since then. Now the NCAA and schools can't treat players like cartel assets.



It isn't close to the biggest game; that was the FL, AL, and GA games. SC was 'bigger', and LSU. It's the "biggest" to you and some fans placing too much emotional emphasis on it. Makes sense....

This was Hyatt's breakout season, not the prior 90 career games. There's a difference the games you played to become a high draft choice, and then actually being one. If he elected to play anyway, great - his choice. If he thinks I'm on the precipice and no need to jeopardize it, great - his choice. You already read instances of players being injured late and losing $$. Tillman's status may cost him money.

You don't see it because you - John Fan - don't want to.

I think Clemson would be the favorite with or without Hyatt/Tillman.
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no I see it…..But if injury is the concern why play a single minute after you’ve climbed the draft boards?! It makes no sense to play against a garbage Vandy team and risk injury either.
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Coaches with 2 loss seasons get better extensions than coaches with 3 loss seasons - usually. Believe what you want but your coach is pushing kids to the portal just the same as Saban and Kirby.
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I promise you that Saban didn't push starters and over half of his WRs to the portal. Kirby has like 2 kids (maybe one) in the portal right now. How many people are saying Alex Golesh quit on his team? He didn't stick around for the bowl game, and Heupel advised him to do what was best for his career. I suppose you see that as professional malpractice as well?
 
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Stonewall83 said:
no I see it…..But if injury is the concern why play a single minute after you’ve climbed the draft boards?! It makes no sense to play against a garbage Vandy team and risk injury either.
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We'd have to ask the guys sitting out. Their logic doesn't have to be mine.

If it were me, I'd feel considerably more obligated to finish the scheduled season than a post-season bowl, especially a non-playoff bowl. For that matter, I would be more inclined to play the bowl than Hyatt is, but I can't say that mine a more intelligent choice than his. Nor that his is an egregious or wrong choice.
 
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Tigervol said:
What are your thoughts that Bryce Young and Will Anderson are opting to play in the Sugar Bowl, but Hyatt is opting out? It’s been exciting to watch the success we’ve had and then feel a bit disappointment when our star WR won’t be playing. Young and Anderson are projected top 5 picks. Are Young and Anderson crazy for playing one more time for their team? I’m thinking the unfortunate injury Tillman had this year had a factor in Hyatt’s opting out.

Nick Saban proud of lack of Sugar Bowl opt-outs, praises competitive spirit of Bryce Young, Will Anderson
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Not a fan of it
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Coaches with 2 loss seasons get better extensions than coaches with 3 loss seasons - usually. Believe what you want but your coach is pushing kids to the portal just the same as Saban and Kirby.
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I'd be disappointed in Heupel telling players to do something in his financial interest that was against the player's interest. There's no indication he's that man, but rather - seeing the buy-in to his coaching - that he isn't shafting players/assistants with bad advice.

That's how you build a ***** program, enterprise, or relationships.
 
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NCFisher said:
We'd have to ask the guys sitting out. Their logic doesn't have to be mine.

If it were me, I'd feel considerably more obligated to finish the scheduled season than a post-season bowl, especially a non-playoff bowl. For that matter, I would be more inclined to play the bowl than Hyatt is, but I can't say that mine a more intelligent choice than his. Nor that his is an egregious or wrong choice.
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I’m with you. I don’t think it’s wrong, I think it makes little sense. Hyatt had an electric year and he’s a legit NFL homerun threat. He has some big drops and I’m not sure he’s a top tier route runner but plenty of the NFL guys aren’t either.

I think Hooker being out is another factor for him. But either way it’s a discussion board and we are just discussing.

But I can bet which piece of “advice” the agent is gonna give every single time. They have a financial incentive to do so.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
No disrespect to Jalin; he’s cemented his legacy and I wish him the best. That being said I don’t understand the opt out trend. Why is it suddenly acceptable to bail on your teammates during bowl season when it wasn’t acceptable to do so for generations prior?
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Because as you get more data on something, your approach to it can change. Guys are stronger now and science has shown the body breaks down with more games played. Just because we were ignorant of something in the past, doesn't mean we shouldn't adapt to it in the present.

And for the record, this is not bailing. If it were the playoffs, sure, that's bailing, but this is a dude who just used his NIL deal to secure hotels for all of his teammates. He's far from a guy you could label as not a team player.
 
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first time caller said:
Use to love him, but now I just don't know....
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He's merely the #3 reason behind Heupel and Hooker that TN was a hair from the playoffs, and the program is being talked about in the top echelon, and "WR U" is again a brushfire being stoked by recruiting winds....

Dude, if that poetry doesn't move you to profess your love, your Vol card is by thine own hand, revoked.
 
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#161
Then playing is hours it should be. Play until the end. I get it being all about the money but what happened to all the money UT invested in him? I know everyone is going to give me crap but I could care less. Put your freaking pads on and play for who made you what you are.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
Agree with every bit of this 100%

Which is why it makes sense for Tillman to skip a game and get healthy. Hyatt being afraid of being injured in December but not November is a head scratcher tho.

Had this been the Liberty bowl it makes even more sense….but this is absolutely an opportunity to raise your stock.
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Its easy to comprehend Hyatt is getting drafted above Tillman. Tillman checked out early this season. 15m reasons not to play and chance a freak injury with the season he has had.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
You do know these guys play before college right??
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You do realize the players aren't big enough to hurt each other in pee wee league, right?

29 games in College
41 in high school, likely against a lot of kids much smaller and slower, too.

The comparative injury risk is negligible vs playing against P5 competition.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Its easy to comprehend Hyatt is getting drafted above Tillman. Tillman checked out early this season. 15m reasons not to play and chance a freak injury with the season he has had.
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I know….that’s why I said him playing against Vandy was weird if the worry is an injury
 
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bigl3327 said:
I promise you that Saban didn't push starters and over half of his WRs to the portal. Kirby has like 2 kids (maybe one) in the portal right now. How many people are saying Alex Golesh quit on his team? He didn't stick around for the bowl game, and Heupel advised him to do what was best for his career. I suppose you see that as professional malpractice as well?
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Your logic is silly and flawed to the point I can see theres no point in debating what you think coaches tell players. 11 wins is a big deal. As for the rest, when the playoffs are over, you'll see a bunch of Georgia players hit the portal. There are only 9 seniors on the team. 24 new commitments. Something has to give. Sure, Saban might have a couple starters leaving, but a good many of the guys in the portal saw the writing on the wall in bold print. Same thing happened a year ago. Everyone thinks their program is run by someone taking the high road on these issues. Except for Dabo in regards to the portal, they're all mistaken.
 
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Grouse Stalker said:
Your logic is silly and flawed to the point I can see theres no point in debating what you think coaches tell players. 11 wins is a big deal. As for the rest, when the playoffs are over, you'll see a bunch of Georgia players hit the portal. There are only 9 seniors on the team. 24 new commitments. Something has to give. Sure, Saban might have a couple starters leaving, but a good many of the guys in the portal saw the writing on the wall in bold print. Same thing happened a year ago. Everyone thinks their program is run by someone taking the high road on these issues. Except for Dabo in regards to the portal, they're all mistaken.
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No one ever said that these coaches don't encourage some of these kids hit the portal, but I don't know what Hyatt opting out of the bowl has to do with the transfer portal. You saying that my logic is flawed about Heupel and opt outs tells me that you have no experience around college football programs or coaches. So I guess it does seem silly to someone who doesn't know sh!t about football.
 
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LittleVol said:
Why can't people see what's RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM??

No disrespect man.
To answer your question it's because of Joe Milton being the starting QB
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Joe Milton is the epitome of VFL! Lost his starting job to Hooker last year, and is still here mentoring Nico. My Vol card was revoked earlier today for my thoughts on Hyatt opting out. I demand the cards of those be revoked also who blast a VFL!!!
 
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