Your feelings on Dabo?

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His program was jump started by players that could've, should've, would've been here with competent coaches at UT. That well seems to be running try though he is still getting players based on that success.
 
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GiveHim6InSC said:
He caught lightning in a bottle when the ACC didn’t have other teams to challenge them, and then they backed into the playoffs with a healthy roster and some recruiting classes that were “strangely” better than what they usually had.
He played the “Roy bus” and other stuff to earn the favor of the media, when it was his coordinators, Venables in particular, who were the most valuable parts of those teams.
Now you have an empire of overpaid people in the athletic department and a bunch of fair-weather fans who are turning on him in a big way here. Florida State is back up and UNC and Dook (who would have thought?) are gaining momentum. They now sit at 4-4 and just got beaten by NC State, and might have a hard time getting to 6 wins.
I’m sure Dabo is a Christian and that’s more important than anything, but the Newspring connection isn’t what it used to be and it seems like the gum has lost its flavor.
To add insult to injury, football and softball are all Clemson people have to look forward to. They’re pretty sour around here these days 👌
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I am no fan of Dabo, but that's selling him awfully short.

Dabo recruited a couple of generational QBs, multiple future NFL All-Pro WRs to throw it to, and multiple future NFL All-Pro defensive linemen. Those were the cores of his good teams, and he had a great 7-year run doing that. He also had very solid, low turnover coaching staffs during that run, Venables being the most important member. If that's "lightning in a bottle," it lasted an awfully long time.

IMO, if he does not come around on the Portal and NIL, it will be the unwinding of his dynasty.
 
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Dabo's current recruiting spiel:
Come to Clemson and we'll have you on TV for the Wasabi Fenway Bowl every year. How's that sound?
 
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VolGirl81 said:
He’s overrated
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So winning 2 national championships is overrated? This board is strange sometimes. I would be willing to bet that nearly everyone posting in this thread would have done back flips if Dabo would have accepted the job here after Pruitt or Butch. Now that he is having a bad season he is somehow overrated. Kinda funny.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So winning 2 national championships is overrated? This board is strange sometimes. I would be willing to bet that nearly everyone posting in this thread would have done back flips if Dabo would have accepted the job here after Pruitt or Butch. Now that he is having a bad season he is somehow overrated. Kinda funny.
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According to this board, the only truly good coaches are Saban and (as of last year) Kirby, and even Saban is overrated because he sometimes "loses games he shouldn't lose because he has the more talented team." It's quite something.

As soon as Kirby has a season where he doesn't win a title, then he'll be overrated too.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So winning 2 national championships is overrated? This board is strange sometimes. I would be willing to bet that nearly everyone posting in this thread would have done back flips if Dabo would have accepted the job here after Pruitt or Butch. Now that he is having a bad season he is somehow overrated. Kinda funny.
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Yes, he’s won 2 championships, but, imo, the game has past him by. I think his coordinators carried him thru many of his wins. So yes, at this point in time, I think he is overrated .
 
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VolGirl81 said:
Yes, he’s won 2 championships, but, imo, the game has past him by. I think his coordinators carried him thru many of his wins. So yes, at this point in time, I think he is overrated .
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The "he had great coordinators" line is used as a slur, but it really isn't. He hired and was able to maintain those guys for years. Recruiting and staff management are like 98% of a college head coach's job, and Dabo has been great at it for a long time.

If Dabo doesn't get on board with NIL, it will whittle away at his recruiting prowess, and if he flat out refuses to engage with the Portal 1) he won't be plugging holes in his roster even though his competition is and 2) some of his own players, even if they are just depth guys, are going to leave, creating holes in his roster.
 
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mudhen said:
I don't know about you, but it warms my heart to see that pompous jackass get whipped.
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People make him out to be the second coming of Les Miles but Les never sniffed Dabo’s record.

Clemson is having their worst season in over a decade pretty much. Dabo no doubt needs to change things some, much like Saban did with adjusting in the offensive era. But Dabo doesn’t strike me as some hair on fire, thin skinned coach based on his radio show tonight.

There has never been a time where people can amplify their criticisms (and compliments) behind a keyboard or phone call.

Maybe Dabo is just a prick, but he also has the attitude indirectly that Clemson will most certainly take a huge step backwards as a program if he isn’t there anymore.
 
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Apparently this is the full text of his response. Lasted over six minutes.

Hey, Tyler, l’ve listened to enough of you, Tyler. Listen. You can have all your opinions that you want. I don’t know how old you are, don’t really care. But let me tell you something. We won 11 games last year. And you’re part of the problem, to be honest with you, because that is part of the problem. It’s people like you, that all you do ...”

“The appreciation, the expectation is greater than the appreciation. And that’s the problem. And so we’ve won 12 10-plus win seasons in a row. That’s happened three times in 150 years. So if you want to know why? Clemson ain’t sniff a national championship for 35 years, we’ve won two in seven years. And there’s only two other teams that can say that: Georgia and Alabama, OK. Is this a bad year? Yeah, and it’s my responsibility. Take 100% responsibility for it. But all this bull crap you’re thinking, all these narratives you read. Listen, man, you can have your opinion all you want, and you can apply for the job. And good luck to you. All right?”

“But to answer your question, we’re second in (NFL) draft picks. We’ve graduated 98% of our guys, we’re second in wins all right? if you wanna know why, again, I’m telling you, we’re not perfect. ... Did Frank Howard never have a bad year? Coach Ford never had a bad year? Coach K never had a bad year in basketball? People have a bad year. But the part of the problem is the appreciation. I used to tell people all the time ... They’d say, what’s the difference in Clemson? Let me tell you, at some places, there’s an expectation, but at Clemson, there’s an appreciation.”

“And what’s happened at Clemson is we’ve won so much that even ... it used to be the fun’s in the winning. Now even when you win, people like you complain and criticize the coaches and question everything. People like you, all right, when I hired Tony Elliott to be the offensive coordinator who never called a play in his life, I’m sure you were critical then. All right, and he took us to two national championships. People like you who just love to destroy people with your comments.”

“I’m sure you’ve never made any bad decisions. I’m sure you’ve lived a perfect life. I’m sure you led a bunch of people. I’m sure you do your job. So to answer your question, I started as the lowest-paid coach in this frickin’ business. All right, and I’m where I am because I’ve worked my ass off every single day. And I ain’t gonna let some smart-ass kid get on this phone and create this stuff. So if you’ve got a problem with it, I don’t care, all right? I work for the board of trustees, the president and the AD. And if they’re tired of me leading this program, all they gotta do is let me know. I’ll go somewhere else where there is an appreciation.”

“It’s not just winning, it’s how you win. ... This is a tough year. But we’ve had 12 10-plus win seasons in a row — 12. We lost to Tennessee last year, they won 11 games for the first time in like 20 years. We’ve had eight 11-win seasons in 11 years or whatever. We’ve won two national championships. Clemson went 35 years (without a championship), all right, probably since before you were born — your whole freakin’ life. And we’ve won two in seven years. And we earned it. And we beat the best of the best to do it. The best of the best. Twelve 10-plus wins seasons, so if you wanna know why, that’s why.”

“Am I perfect? No. I’m far from it. And I am a man of faith. Absolutely. All right. I’m 53 years old. And there ain’t one thing in my life ... I have been a part of failure many times. But there ain’t one thing in my life that I’ve ever failed at, Tyler. Never. Ever. I wanted to get an education. I got two degrees. I wanted to be the first college graduate in my family, I did it. I wanted to go play football at Alabama. I earned a scholarship letter three years, worked my ass off, won a national championship. I wanted to get into coaching. I worked my way to being a head coach. And when I got this job, and I’m sure you didn’t want me to get this job, all right. And 15 years later, I’m still here. And I’d say the results are what they are and I stand on them.”

“So you don’t ever have to call back. I wanted to get married. I’ve been married for going on 30 years. I wanted to be a father, I’ve raised three great sons. If you don’t like how I run the program, don’t be a fan. I don’t care. But I’m the head coach and I’m gonna do what I believe is right for the long term of this program, what’s best for the players and what I think is best for the moment. If you got a problem with that, that’s fine. But I’m not gonna sit here and let you call. I don’t give a crap how much money I make. You ain’t gonna talk to me like I’m 12 years old. Gotta be freaking kidding me.”

After a brief pause, Clemson radio man Don Munson replied: “Amen.” Then, after one more call, the show went to commercial.
 
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Freak said:
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This would be hilarious because the one selling point for Clemson to potentially leave the ACC would be Dabo as their coach. Clemson may very well be falling behind the Georgia’s and Ohio State’s of the country but Clemson running him off would be hilarious
 
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Boston Vol said:
Apparently this is the full text of his response. Lasted over six minutes.

Hey, Tyler, l’ve listened to enough of you, Tyler. Listen. You can have all your opinions that you want. I don’t know how old you are, don’t really care. But let me tell you something. We won 11 games last year. And you’re part of the problem, to be honest with you, because that is part of the problem. It’s people like you, that all you do ...”

“The appreciation, the expectation is greater than the appreciation. And that’s the problem. And so we’ve won 12 10-plus win seasons in a row. That’s happened three times in 150 years. So if you want to know why? Clemson ain’t sniff a national championship for 35 years, we’ve won two in seven years. And there’s only two other teams that can say that: Georgia and Alabama, OK. Is this a bad year? Yeah, and it’s my responsibility. Take 100% responsibility for it. But all this bull crap you’re thinking, all these narratives you read. Listen, man, you can have your opinion all you want, and you can apply for the job. And good luck to you. All right?”

“But to answer your question, we’re second in (NFL) draft picks. We’ve graduated 98% of our guys, we’re second in wins all right? if you wanna know why, again, I’m telling you, we’re not perfect. ... Did Frank Howard never have a bad year? Coach Ford never had a bad year? Coach K never had a bad year in basketball? People have a bad year. But the part of the problem is the appreciation. I used to tell people all the time ... They’d say, what’s the difference in Clemson? Let me tell you, at some places, there’s an expectation, but at Clemson, there’s an appreciation.”

“And what’s happened at Clemson is we’ve won so much that even ... it used to be the fun’s in the winning. Now even when you win, people like you complain and criticize the coaches and question everything. People like you, all right, when I hired Tony Elliott to be the offensive coordinator who never called a play in his life, I’m sure you were critical then. All right, and he took us to two national championships. People like you who just love to destroy people with your comments.”

“I’m sure you’ve never made any bad decisions. I’m sure you’ve lived a perfect life. I’m sure you led a bunch of people. I’m sure you do your job. So to answer your question, I started as the lowest-paid coach in this frickin’ business. All right, and I’m where I am because I’ve worked my ass off every single day. And I ain’t gonna let some smart-ass kid get on this phone and create this stuff. So if you’ve got a problem with it, I don’t care, all right? I work for the board of trustees, the president and the AD. And if they’re tired of me leading this program, all they gotta do is let me know. I’ll go somewhere else where there is an appreciation.”

“It’s not just winning, it’s how you win. ... This is a tough year. But we’ve had 12 10-plus win seasons in a row — 12. We lost to Tennessee last year, they won 11 games for the first time in like 20 years. We’ve had eight 11-win seasons in 11 years or whatever. We’ve won two national championships. Clemson went 35 years (without a championship), all right, probably since before you were born — your whole freakin’ life. And we’ve won two in seven years. And we earned it. And we beat the best of the best to do it. The best of the best. Twelve 10-plus wins seasons, so if you wanna know why, that’s why.”

“Am I perfect? No. I’m far from it. And I am a man of faith. Absolutely. All right. I’m 53 years old. And there ain’t one thing in my life ... I have been a part of failure many times. But there ain’t one thing in my life that I’ve ever failed at, Tyler. Never. Ever. I wanted to get an education. I got two degrees. I wanted to be the first college graduate in my family, I did it. I wanted to go play football at Alabama. I earned a scholarship letter three years, worked my ass off, won a national championship. I wanted to get into coaching. I worked my way to being a head coach. And when I got this job, and I’m sure you didn’t want me to get this job, all right. And 15 years later, I’m still here. And I’d say the results are what they are and I stand on them.”

“So you don’t ever have to call back. I wanted to get married. I’ve been married for going on 30 years. I wanted to be a father, I’ve raised three great sons. If you don’t like how I run the program, don’t be a fan. I don’t care. But I’m the head coach and I’m gonna do what I believe is right for the long term of this program, what’s best for the players and what I think is best for the moment. If you got a problem with that, that’s fine. But I’m not gonna sit here and let you call. I don’t give a crap how much money I make. You ain’t gonna talk to me like I’m 12 years old. Gotta be freaking kidding me.”

After a brief pause, Clemson radio man Don Munson replied: “Amen.” Then, after one more call, the show went to commercial.
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Just listened tot he 5 minute audio of it. It doesn’t come across as bad hearing it as the twitter takes make it out to be.

He is defensive by bringing up all the 10’win seasons but he also is taking blame for this year.

Nice that Dabo still thinks of Tennessee!
 
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Boston Vol said:
He’s won two national titles and played for two others. That’s pretty much legendary status. Especially at a place like Clemson.
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While being 3 ahead of Kirby on playoff appearances and 1 behind Saban…

He may have adjustment problems but how people act like he is someone who thinks he is a bigger deal than he actually is blows my mind.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
While being 3 ahead of Kirby on playoff appearances and 1 behind Saban…

He may have adjustment problems but how people act like he is someone who thinks he is a bigger deal than he actually is blows my mind.
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He's mocked bc of his hubris and pride. Which is also why there are many in his own fanbase who are questioning him. It's way more then adjustment problems. He's actively hurting the program with his NIL and transfer approach/comments. With that said he's obviously one of the best. But has his stubbornness allowed others to pass him by? I think so
 
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volfanhill said:
He's mocked bc of his hubris and pride. Which is also why there are many in his own fanbase who are questioning him. It's way more then adjustment problems. He's actively hurting the program with his NIL and transfer approach/comments. With that said he's obviously one of the best. But has his stubbornness allowed others to pass him by? I think so
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Good point… but who has really passed him by? He was always behind Saban even with the 2 wins against him in the Natty’s…. Kirby has definitely taken him over as the 2nd best active coach in my mind. But what other coach is out there that has taken Dabo from the Top 3-5 coaches? That’s the wild part out of all this. Outside of Kirby and Saban, Dabo is firmly still 3rd best coach in the land. Ryan Day? Lincoln Riley? Jim Harbaugh? Brian Kelly?

Dabo needs to adjust with this new era but it’s wild to me that folks are acting like he’s fallen some great distance. I do think Clemson fans are frustrated that Klubnik for most part has been a bust when he was pretty much hyped up to be the next Deshaun/Trevor line of QB’s…. It’s evident Dabo felt the same as well.
 
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VolGirl81 said:
Yes, he’s won 2 championships, but, imo, the game has past him by. I think his coordinators carried him thru many of his wins. So yes, at this point in time, I think he is overrated .
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You do know he won 11 games last year right? How has the game passed him by?
 
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