Your feelings on Dabo?

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BenGrimm said:
He had a good run but it’s over.
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It is EXTREMELY hard to get the chemistry of the players and staff in place to maintain winning national championships if you've done it once. More often than not it's difficult to duplicate. My hat is tipped to Saban and even Smart for what he's done at UGA as well, but less so because he learned how under Saban. Dabo is learning the hard way, just because you do everything the same way does not necessarily mean the results remain the same. The chemistry of a college team changes drastically year over year. Dabo and Clemson's time has come and gone as their assistants are changed, players changed, it's just not the same. We saw this play out with our NC program as assistants took off and players changed out and Fulmer even though he worked like heck to fix it couldn't get it done any longer. It's like magic when it happens.
 
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Remy said:
It is EXTREMELY hard to get the chemistry of the players and staff in place to maintain winning national championships if you've done it once. More often than not it's difficult to duplicate. My hat is tipped to Saban and even Smart for what he's done at UGA as well, but less so because he learned how under Saban. Dabo is learning the hard way, just because you do everything the same way does not necessarily mean the results remain the same. The chemistry of a college team changes drastically year over year. Dabo and Clemson's time has come and gone as their assistants are changed, players changed, it's just not the same. We saw this play out with our NC program as assistants took off and players changed out and Fulmer even though he worked like heck to fix it couldn't get it done any longer. It's like magic when it happens.
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Ironic, considering he stays away from the portal bc he wants his guys and to maintain the chemistry.
 
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05_never_again said:
I am no fan of Dabo, but that's selling him awfully short.

Dabo recruited a couple of generational QBs, multiple future NFL All-Pro WRs to throw it to, and multiple future NFL All-Pro defensive linemen. Those were the cores of his good teams, and he had a great 7-year run doing that. He also had very solid, low turnover coaching staffs during that run, Venables being the most important member. If that's "lightning in a bottle," it lasted an awfully long time.

IMO, if he does not come around on the Portal and NIL, it will be the unwinding of his dynasty.
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What he greatly benefited from was an extremely weak schedule/down ACC that enabled him to create unfathomable depth. It was said during one of the championship years, that something like 90+ guys on the team had played more than a quarters worth of snaps vs P5 opponents over the course of the year. Think about how many guys we have who have yet to see the field this year juxtaposed against the Clemson scenario. He had a team of Jordan’s (he gets credit for recruiting them) playing against 10U rec teams every week, so he was able to get his own 10U rec guys on the field at an unmatched level. Even Bama and UGA can’t build that kind of depth/experience because the SEC is too much of a grind every weekend.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What he greatly benefited from was an extremely weak schedule/down ACC that enabled him to create unfathomable depth. It was said during one of the championship years, that something like 90+ guys on the team had played more than a quarters worth of snaps vs P5 opponents over the course of the year. Think about how many guys we have who have yet to see the field this year juxtaposed against the Clemson scenario. He had a team of Jordan’s (he gets credit for recruiting them) playing against 10U rec teams every week, so he was able to get his own 10U rec guys on the field at an unmatched level. Even Bama and UGA can’t build that kind of depth/experience because the SEC is too much of a grind every weekend.
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100% correct.
Now that FSU is back on the rise and maybe 1-2 others like UNC, he is feeling the pressure because he’s not the BMOC anymore. He can’t waltz through the ACC and still be in the playoff discussion every year.
If SCjr beats them this year, they’ll be in a bad way
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What he greatly benefited from was an extremely weak schedule/down ACC that enabled him to create unfathomable depth. It was said during one of the championship years, that something like 90+ guys on the team had played more than a quarters worth of snaps vs P5 opponents over the course of the year. Think about how many guys we have who have yet to see the field this year juxtaposed against the Clemson scenario. He had a team of Jordan’s (he gets credit for recruiting them) playing against 10U rec teams every week, so he was able to get his own 10U rec guys on the field at an unmatched level. Even Bama and UGA can’t build that kind of depth/experience because the SEC is too much of a grind every weekend.
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This is well said.

I have made this argument countless times regarding Clemson, N-D, Ohio State, etc. The benefit of playing 7-8 games a year against patsies is much greater than most casual fans can understand. Plus, every time one of those 2-3 deep guys gets PT, that also means the #1 is watching from the sidelines. How much more effective is that #1 at the end of season with all those reps off his body?
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What he greatly benefited from was an extremely weak schedule/down ACC that enabled him to create unfathomable depth. It was said during one of the championship years, that something like 90+ guys on the team had played more than a quarters worth of snaps vs P5 opponents over the course of the year. Think about how many guys we have who have yet to see the field this year juxtaposed against the Clemson scenario. He had a team of Jordan’s (he gets credit for recruiting them) playing against 10U rec teams every week, so he was able to get his own 10U rec guys on the field at an unmatched level. Even Bama and UGA can’t build that kind of depth/experience because the SEC is too much of a grind every weekend.
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Everything is cyclical. Can't you also argue just as easily that FSU is good again because Clemson is regressing? Besides, Dabo began his run at Clemson when FSU was still good. It wasn't like Jimbo had a bunch of bad seasons after the title and then left.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
This is well said.

I have made this argument countless times regarding Clemson, N-D, Ohio State, etc. The benefit of playing 7-8 games a year against patsies is much greater than most casual fans can understand. Plus, every time one of those 2-3 deep guys gets PT, that also means the #1 is watching from the sidelines. How much more effective is that #1 at the end of season with all those reps off his body?
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Let's not act like all SEC teams run gauntlets. UGA does not have a tough schedule this year. Alabama did not play a tough schedule last year - arguably, it is what kept them out of the playoff despite lots of people trying to find a reason to sneak them in. They only played 2-3 games that you could foresee them losing, which isn't much different from a team like Michigan or Ohio St.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What he greatly benefited from was an extremely weak schedule/down ACC that enabled him to create unfathomable depth. It was said during one of the championship years, that something like 90+ guys on the team had played more than a quarters worth of snaps vs P5 opponents over the course of the year. Think about how many guys we have who have yet to see the field this year juxtaposed against the Clemson scenario. He had a team of Jordan’s (he gets credit for recruiting them) playing against 10U rec teams every week, so he was able to get his own 10U rec guys on the field at an unmatched level. Even Bama and UGA can’t build that kind of depth/experience because the SEC is too much of a grind every weekend.
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Even in the weak ACC, everyone thought they would be pushovers against better competition in they playoff.... Only one natty game (LSU) were it got out of hand and Clemson actually led that game.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So would you like to have Dabos record over the past 10 years?
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It doesn't compare. General Neyland had an unbelievable record, but it's not really applicable to today's football.

Dabo is tied, chained apparently, to old, pre-NIL, pre-portal, pay the guys with dark money, recruit them out of high school, not the portal football.

Dabo's recent record was the last hurrah for that style of coach. His plunge when the portal and NIL became available and he didn't adapt was obvious and predictable. His style of team building is no longer going to be successful in college football.

My thoughts on Dabo are the same as my thoughts on General Neyland: damn good coach for his era, but those days are gone.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What he greatly benefited from was an extremely weak schedule/down ACC that enabled him to create unfathomable depth. It was said during one of the championship years, that something like 90+ guys on the team had played more than a quarters worth of snaps vs P5 opponents over the course of the year. Think about how many guys we have who have yet to see the field this year juxtaposed against the Clemson scenario. He had a team of Jordan’s (he gets credit for recruiting them) playing against 10U rec teams every week, so he was able to get his own 10U rec guys on the field at an unmatched level. Even Bama and UGA can’t build that kind of depth/experience because the SEC is too much of a grind every weekend.
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There are a lot of similarities to Fulmer. Got hot when rivals were down and league wasn't such a meat grinder. Loaded up on talent and had solid coordinators.and assistants. Every dog has his day, but eventually the worm turns. Gotta think that with SCjr and Clemson both looking suspect that UT and Heupel can make some head way in that state once again. It was very productive recruiting territory for Fulmer. Maybe history repeats itself?
 
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For those who are unimpressed with Dabo, consider this:

Dabo record: 165-43 in 15 full seasons
Fulmer record 152-52 in 17 seasons

He is on par, or maybe slightly better, than Phil.
 
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05_never_again said:
Everything is cyclical. Can't you also argue just as easily that FSU is good again because Clemson is regressing? Besides, Dabo began his run at Clemson when FSU was still good. It wasn't like Jimbo had a bunch of bad seasons after the title and then left.
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Jimbo Fisher was/is an 8-4 to 9-3 coach without Jamies Winston. That’s not hyperbole or a theory, it’s his career avg record at FSU without him; against mediocre competition minus Clemson. He lost to 3-9 GT, 8-5 UofL, 7-6 BC, 9-4 UofL (by 43), 6-7 Wake, 8-5 UNC etc. He had more talent than any team not named Clemson yet managed to average 3 ACC losses/year outside the Winston years.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Jimbo Fisher was/is an 8-4 to 9-3 coach without Jamies Winston. That’s not hyperbole or a theory, it’s his career avg record at FSU without him; against mediocre competition minus Clemson. He lost to 3-9 GT, 8-5 UofL, 7-6 BC, 9-4 UofL (by 43), 6-7 Wake, 8-5 UNC etc. He had more talent than any team not named Clemson yet managed to average 3 ACC losses/year outside the Winston years.
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Again - sports are cyclical. Jimbo had the premier player for a couple of years at the most important position and was able to win a title with him. A couple years later, Dabo had the premier player (Watson and Lawrence) at the most important position and won a couple of titles with them. Things ebb and flow.

He won 10 regular season games twice without Crab Legs (2012 and 2015) and finished 8th in the country another year. Jimbo's non-Jameis FSU teams were better than people remember. That narrative has caught on the more Jimbo has struggled at A&M.
 
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McDad said:
For those who are unimpressed with Dabo, consider this:

Dabo record: 165-43 in 15 full seasons
Fulmer record 152-52 in 17 seasons

He is on par, or maybe slightly better, than Phil.
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It’s hard to argue w/ that success, CFP titles and title appearances. The only argument to be made is that he’s done it against a weaker conference.
 
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loservol said:
The doofus has went full hitler. Proclaiming himself the "God" of,Clemson, talking Old Testament and the 1.5% unclean fanbase who are critical of his claim to football God hood.

He sounds like a cult leader.
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Sounds a bit like his buddy, the ex-pastor of Newspring 🤔
 
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