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#127
#127
MG1968 said:
I can't imagine this mosque getting built. Construction in NYC is done almost exclusively by union contractors and if one refuses to work, the others will follow suit. I don't see the Park51 group being able to bring in a non-union construction crew.
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They will get government protection and bring in workers from Chicago....er.....the Middle East.
 
#128
#128
lumberjack4 said:
Don't try to trivialize the radicals that make up a very sizable portion of the opposition.
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Are the radicals opposed any more numerous than those supporting this center? I seriously doubt it.

The vast majority on either side aren't radical. You are trying very hard to paint most of those in opposition as bigots and that simply isn't the case.
 
#129
#129
droski said:
how to you determine what is clean money and what isn't? some of the sauidi royal family indirectly (some directly to) gave money to al queada. do you exclude them? it's hard to know what is in someone's heart of hearts.
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You do the best you can to trace the money. If you can't prove its dirty you can't deny it.
 
#130
#130
lawgator1 said:
And in fact that is part of the problem here. Post 9/11, a lot of people have emerged trying to claim to be experts on that. And they aren't. In fact their knowledge is weak and twisted to suit a preexisting political agenda. But they write gripping stuff that makes people freak out.

Exhibibit "A" being gsvol.
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what political agenda? i spend a good deal of a morning a couple days ago arguing that islam isn't inherently violent. but that doesn't still mean that the radical portion THINKS LIKE YOU OR I. are you denying this radical portion exists? it's primarily because of culture, poverty, and lack of education, but those are the type of people anywhere attracted to radical "out there" religion. the "koolaide drinkers" if you look at who joined were not exactly brain surgens. this is no different.

and as the saying goes just because you are paranoid that doesn't mean you are wrong. and gsvol, in this instance, isn't being paranoid.
 
#132
#132
lumberjack4 said:
You do the best you can to trace the money. If you can't prove its dirty you can't deny it.
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it's a simple question. if the location is just a coincidence and you wanted to build a mosque for worship and religious tolerance why would you give tens of millions for this mosque to be built? why not build 10 mosques somewhere else where it's a hell of a lot cheaper?

the most absurd part of this argument is that the location is of no significance to the people trying to build this.
 
#133
#133
droski said:
it's a simple question. if the location is just a coincidence and you wanted to build a mosque for worship and religious tolerance why would you give tens of millions for this mosque to be built? why not build 10 mosques somewhere else where it's a hell of a lot cheaper?

the most absurd part of this argument is that the location is of no significance to the people trying to build this.
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ding, ding, ding
 
#134
#134
droski said:
it's a simple question. if the location is just a coincidence and you wanted to build a mosque for worship and religious tolerance why would you give tens of millions for this mosque to be built? why not build 10 mosques somewhere else where it's a hell of a lot cheaper?

the most absurd part of this argument is that the location is of no significance to the people trying to build this.
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Clearly the location is important to them, is that enough reason to force them to move. I say no.
 
#141
#141
lumberjack4 said:
No doubt that some want or are trying to. Its up to the government to deny those funds. If the mosque can't get enough clean money to build their building it shouldn't be built. I'd say the same thing for a Church of Scientology, private school, or a skyscraper.
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Really?

Are you suggesting that the "peaceful" Muslims behind the mosque would take money from terrorists? And then we have to rely on OE's government to deny that?
 
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#142
#142
WWJCCD?

LG, are you saying just because a JCC supports this, therefore it is fine? No issue? Is that your justification for "this must be fine"? Because almost every one of your posts in 'defense' has been something about a JCC supporting them as reason enough to say no problem here.
 
#143
#143
droski said:
and you know this because. . .
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They hate us enough already. Its not like, "Man I'd like to take-out some Americans, but can't get that pumped about it. What? They built a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero? Count me in!" I mean really?
 
#144
#144
lumberjack4 said:
Clearly the location is important to them, is that enough reason to force them to move. I say no.
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I don't think anyone should force them to do anything. I would hope they see the opposition and understand the actions of building at this site would run contrary to their stated goal of building a bridge between America and Islam.
 
#145
#145
lumberjack4 said:
They hate us enough already. Its not like, "Man I'd like to take-out some Americans, but can't get that pumped about it. What? They built a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero? Count me in!" I mean really?
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ever heard of recruiting tools?
 
#146
#146
lumberjack4 said:
They hate us enough already. Its not like, "Man I'd like to take-out some Americans, but can't get that pumped about it. What? They built a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero? Count me in!" I mean really?
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It's a recruiting tool. A nice little propaganda piece, propaganda can be a very effective tool.
 
#147
#147
lumberjack4 said:
They hate us enough already. Its not like, "Man I'd like to take-out some Americans, but can't get that pumped about it. What? They built a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero? Count me in!" I mean really?
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there is a big difference between hating someone and killing someone. a good percentage of people int he middle east countries like iran or jordan hate us (witness the dancing in the streets after 9/11). a very small minority goes and kills people they hate. a mosque rising from the ashes of terrorism is exactly the type of symbol that can make someone on the fence decide that terrorism is the will of allah. it will also likely be used as a recruiting tool. i think people underestimate it's impact. this is the greatest victory for anti american islamic terrorists in their history. a mosque rising from that is a very powerful pro terrorism message.
 
#148
#148
KB5252 said:
I don't think anyone should force them to do anything. I would hope they see the opposition and understand the actions of building at this site would run contrary to their stated goal of building a bridge between America and Islam.
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Are you suggesting they show some tolerance?
 
#149
#149
BeecherVol said:
Are you suggesting they show some tolerance?
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imagine how great of a message it would send to the american people as their intentions if they decide to not build it there. a simple statement of "while we might not agree, we realize the strong emotions about us building this mosque at this site. therefore as a sign of tolerance and to further help islam and american relations we will build this mosque elsewhere."
 
#150
#150
droski said:
there is a big difference between hating someone and killing someone. a good percentage of people int he middle east countries like iran or jordan hate us (witness the dancing in the streets after 9/11). a very small minority goes and kills people they hate. a mosque rising from the ashes of terrorism is exactly the type of symbol that can make someone on the fence decide that terrorism is the will of allah. it will also likely be used as a recruiting tool. i think people underestimate it's impact. this is the greatest victory for anti american islamic terrorists in their history. a mosque rising from that is a very powerful pro terrorism message.
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Agree 1000%.

How this so hard to understant?

And speaking of the funding. The imam they are sending to propmote and raise money for this mosque has made statements that American is worse than Al-Queda. Oh yea, he's taking his wife too on our dime.
 
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