Zach Azzanni new WR Coach

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Good gosh - the guy knows how to assemble a coaching staff. He's done it twice and both times he won conference championships. Odds are good he'll do it again.
 
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sjt18 said:
Really? Wisconsin's recent history is pretty good. They've won the Big 10 the last 3 years... and they aren't on probation.

While Meyer was complimentary it does not appear that they have a real tight relationship. He also didn't follow Meyer to Utah... so it really isn't like either guy sees the other as critical to their personal success.


Did your last boss who quit your company (assuming you work or ever have) take you with them? How about the others? Do all bosses take everyone they like to their new job?

As a manager and someone who has changed jobs and someone who has actually brought managers with me to new jobs.... it seldom works. Just because you have "magic" in one place and situation does NOT mean you will in another.
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Really, you feel like you need to call me out? It was a question moron because I know nothing about him as with the case with most of this milk carton staff. Oh yea that explosive offense that Wisconsin fielded with all those first round draft picks at wide receiver. I'm surprised that they haven't claimed the "Wide Receiver U" title.

As to your comment about my employment status, the only bosses I have are my wife and my customers. I have owned my own company for going on 20 years actually employing people. So if I was opening another facility I would want my best people. If one went to a competitor, I would try and hire him or her back if I thought they were all that. I would think OSU would be quite a bit of an upgrade over Wisconsin.

Now that we've got that out of the way don't you have a cleanup on aisle 3?
 
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UrbanCryer said:
who has this guy recruited? all i see on rivals are 2 -3* guys from ohio.

i will say that wisconsins best reciever is a walk on guy that mirrored cp's numbers.
some kid named jared abbrederis(RS/JR): 46rec- 793yds - 17.2avg - 5tds
CP: 46rec - 778yds - 16.9avg - 5tds
Jared Abbrederis Profile - UWBadgers.com - The Official Web Site of The Wisconsin Badgers Athletics

so if he can do that with a walk on i guess we'll see.
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I'll tell you who he recruited! He recruited players that won a bunch of f------ football games! UT hired CBJ to win games,if these are the guy's he wants I think it qualifies as a great hire! These coaches have a combined 30+ years of experience coaching with CBJ! Like it was said in an earlier post,you get a mess when you throw together a bunch of coaches( CDD'sfirst staff) that have no experience together,no matter how good individually they may be. Relax! GO VOLS!!!
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
I'll tell you who he recruited! He recruited players that won a bunch of f------ football games! UT hired CBJ to win games,if these are the guy's he wants I think it qualifies as a great hire! These coaches have a combined 30+ years of experience coaching with CBJ! Like it was said in an earlier post,you get a mess when you throw together a bunch of coaches( CDD'sfirst staff) that have no experience together,no matter how good individually they may be. Relax! GO VOLS!!!
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If you are talking about Azzanni...I don't think his recruits have made it onto the playing field at the same time he was still coaching that team. He has moved around with different teams almost yearly for the past 5 years.

So...I would say his impact as a coach/recruiter is largely unproven.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Nah. Just use the one you have handy for your head.
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I don't know what your problem is with me and frankly I don't give a damn so in the interest of other board members let's make deal...you don't respond to my post and I won't respond to yours. I understand you think my post are moronic as I do yours so deal?
 
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UTEZ7 said:
you two hens done?
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I was just giving him a jab for his comments. Thin skinned and emotional does pretty much sum up the vocal minority in most of the discussions on here though. You can act like a smartass and ask people if they want tampons or midol all you want. Just don't act like a whiny drama queen when someone fires back.
 
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I believe we have a great staff and I can't wait for the season to start. My blood is starting to flow for Tennessee football again.

Now, if Bray truns pro, I will really be a happy camper.
 
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Batman1948 said:
I believe we have a great staff and I can't wait for the season to start. My blood is starting to flow for Tennessee football again.

Now, if Bray truns pro, I will really be a happy camper.
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Ya know its not a forgone conclusion that our backup QBs are going to be worth two craps. You, and a lot of others, may be eating those words soon.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I was just giving him a jab for his comments. Thin skinned and emotional does pretty much sum up the vocal minority in most of the discussions on here though. You can act like a smartass and ask people if they want tampons or midol all you want. Just don't act like a whiny drama queen when someone fires back.
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I asked a simple question and I got smart a$$ responses from you and a couple of others. It was in no way a slam at the coach. You and your friends have to make sure everyone falls in line or you get all bent out of shape. This is a message board where people share opinions. If you don't like said opinion you don't have to respond with smart a$$ remarks. My only interaction with you has been when you have called out one of my post. While I don't agree with your post most of the time I have never posted how stupid I thought they may have been. As to my being a drama queen I would have to say pot meet kettle. I simply asked a question about this coach a possible reason he wasn't with meyer at OSU. You and your band of merry men were so afraid it was an attempt to tarnish the image of your superman coach and his all world staff, that you felt like you needed to pounce. Don't pounce on people and expect them to not pounce back. I challenge to find any post of yours or anyone's for that matter where I called them out and insult them.
 
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I think Azzani, like the rest of this coaching staff, qualifies as a solid hire but not a home run. The truth is VERY few coaching hires at this level of the game are. Every coach who has been around for a while has had some good years and some bad years. Almost all have been fired or at least not retained after a coaching search. Some good coaches simply aren't a fit sometimes. Look at Hiestand. Last year he's a "horrible" coach and our fan base can't wait to get rid of him. This year, he's coaching the OL in for Notre Dame in the National Championship game. Truth is, he's probably a good coach who, for whatever reason, didn't fit into our circumstance.

My take is Azzanni is a solid position coach. From what I can tell, his units have been well coached, successful and shown improvement from the years prior to his arrival. He's been named receiver coach of the year and has received praised by his coaches. Coaching is a nomadic life style and I don't hold that against him. My take, UM retires and he takes advantage of a chance to be an OC, with some success I might add. Takes advantage of an opportunity to work with BB (not fired by Western Kentucky as far as I can tell btw) and move back to a higher level of play. Which stage would you rather play on?

Urban did in fact think enough to rehire Azzanni at Florida after working with him at Bowling Green. He opted to hire a young coach, who learned along side Azzanni at Florida by the way, with ties to the Ohio area. It's not uncommon for the head coach to mix in younger coaches with more experienced coaches on a staff and to include coaches with local ties. Not an indictment of Azzanni from my perspective. In the case of BB, very few coaches will hire a position coach until they have hired the coordinator. By the time BB hired Chaney, it appears that Azzanni was already well into the process for the position here at UT. An opportunity to work with someone you have a long relationship with at at a program with Tennessee's history and a chance to live in Knoxville, TN verses Arkansas??? Seems like he made the right call there.

Very long winded, my apologies. I followed the back and forth much of the night and grew frustrated by some of the leaps in logic. In short, I think it's a solid hire but not a splash, home-run hire. As with ALL hires, time will tell.
 
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DISClAIMER: This not a slam on the new coach of the University of Tennessee, Coach Butch Jones, or his staff. The following question is a real question and in no way should be construed as taking a shot at said staff. Again this is only a question!

Does anyone know if Coach A will be able to perform any duties over the next couple of weeks in regards to his employment with UT? Can he recruit or does he have to stay hands off until after the Rose Bowl? Is this a rule with the NCAA or case by case basis with an agreement between both schools?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I asked a simple question and I got smart a$$ responses from you and a couple of others. It was in no way a slam at the coach. You and your friends have to make sure everyone falls in line or you get all bent out of shape. This is a message board where people share opinions. If you don't like said opinion you don't have to respond with smart a$$ remarks. My only interaction with you has been when you have called out one of my post. While I don't agree with your post most of the time I have never posted how stupid I thought they may have been. As to my being a drama queen I would have to say pot meet kettle. I simply asked a question about this coach a possible reason he wasn't with meyer at OSU. You and your band of merry men were so afraid it was an attempt to tarnish the image of your superman coach and his all world, that you felt like you needed to pounce. Don't pounce on people and expect them to not pounce back. I challenge to find any post of yours or anyone's for that matter where I called them out and insult them.
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You are hanging on too tight Maverick. I didn't even read much of the thread. You asked a poster if they wanted a tampon and midol. Not me.
And I'm crushed you don't agree with me. Really hurts. But thanks for letting me know about my thoughts on the staff and my merry men as well. I was unaware of that part of the fantasy. Let me guess. Former hard core grudenite?

You or anyone else pretending like they know about this hire is a joke. None of you know. I don't either. The coaches try to get the best fit for their goals, and he is respected by his peers. His wrs and rb as OC put up some numbers. I'll stay positive from what those in the know have said as they are the ones who's opinions are educated, not uneducated.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You are hanging on too tight Maverick. I didn't even read much of the thread. You asked a poster if they wanted a tampon and midol. Not me.
And I'm crushed you don't agree with me. Really hurts. But thanks for letting me know about my thoughts on the staff and my merry men as well. I was unaware of that part of the fantasy. Let me guess. Former hard core grudenite?

You or anyone else pretending like they know about this hire is a joke. None of you know. I don't either. The coaches try to get the best fit for their goals, and he is respected by his peers. His wrs and rb as OC put up some numbers. I'll stay positive from what those in the know have said as they are the ones who's opinions are educated, not uneducated.
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Let me guess Dooley slurper...oh and you made the first smart ass comment to may original question. And oh I didn't get the memo that you were in charge of taking up for a the little people.
 
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The other argument I have seen made is that he may be a solid position coach but that he is a horrible recruiter. Again, time will tell. That conclusion may prove to be correct. The logic however that he must be a horrible recruiter because he's moved around a lot and the Rivals site didn't show him as having 5* offer lists, is in my opinion flawed.

I addressed the nomadic nature of the business in my previous post. Just part of the business. Happens for a lot of reasons. Unless a coach has been repeatedly fired, has not shown any success with the units he's coached, or has too much baggage, I don't think you hold it against them. None of those have been the case with Azzanni.

Anecdotal evidence suggests he is a decent recruiter and has in fact recruited the south, at least periodically, throughout his career. Anecdotal evidence for those who are wondering are the different articles and interviews that state "he is a tireless recruiter", etc. While not "proof" of his success, it is evidence to suggest he may have some success.

As to the Rivals evidence, or lack thereof...I don't put a whole lot of faith in that either. The Rivals records are far from complete and are very inconsistent. Some schools don't seem to list a lead recruiter. Some years even recruiting coordinators don't show any named recruits. Not sure how exactly they get their info just know it's not consistent enough for me to rely on exclusively.

I've looked at a lot of the other names mentioned in this thread as better choices. At least three, according to Rivals, have never, ever recruited any player, of any star rating, at any college, ever. So how, following the poster's own logic, can he dismiss Azzanni as a horrible recruiter yet prefer these coaches who have apparently never recruited??? Best I can tell, some of these guys are preferred due to past ties to UT as a player, intern, or coach with no regard to coaching resume or demonstrated recruiting prowess.

My long winded point is this. There just aren't many homerun hires, particularly for position coaches. All of the candidates have something to be critical of.

Tee Martin? Favorite son, seems to be a good recruiter, very limited resume as either a coach or recruiter. Popular hire, yes but not flawless.

Latrell Scott? UT history, check. Some success with prior units. Seems to be on a downward spiral. Lots of moving around ala Azzanni. Has baggage, fired from Richmond after having 2 DUI's. Spent 2011 out of football and is currently TE coach at JamesMadison.

Hinshaw? Solid resume, UT history, solid recruiter (per Rivals). Downside? All the reports of disorganization and poor connection to TN high school programs under his watch as recruiting coordinator. I personally don't think he did a great job with our receivers (personal observation). Great talents but did not see things I identify with good coaching....solid downfield blocking, great route running, good at hot reading defense, few dropped balls that should have been caught, etc.

Bottom line, give the guy Azzanni a chance folks. He appears to be a solid hire and only time will tell whether it is a homerun, a solid double, or a strikeout.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Who would u hire?
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Here is what I posted last night.

Whoever said yes first out of Latrell Scott, Tony Ball, Casey Woods, Thomas "TD Woods", Troy Walters and Darin Hinshaw.

I would have rather had a "minority" coach that had spent his career recruiting in the south. I think Azzanni is a very good coach but I just think we needed a better recruiter with this hire.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Let me guess Dooley slurper...oh and you made the first smart ass comment to may original question. And oh I didn't get the memo that you were in charge of taking up for a the little people.
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I support the coaches and players on the football team. Punks like you call that a slurper. So be it. Pegged you from the get go, butthurt Grudenite. Hopefully, you find another fantasy to follow and maybe you can get suckered in again. You ought to try those vampire movies all the women follow, if you don't already.
 
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