Tennessee Lady Vol News

[Klclark]

Hmmm. I see on UK's website that South Carolina is last game of their regular season schedule, March 2. And we play Georgia that same day, March 2.

You are correct, I did not go over to March, last game before tournament

 

[AllVols3]

I am 64 years old and played a full-ccourt full game yesterday with teens and 20 year olds AFTER my workout! . . (scored four of our 15)
;o)

depth is not needed for a single game unless the foe is already at a disadvantage.
This is being proven by our 3 win 5 loss SEC record

If we are to succeed we will have to be able to get our girls to go 100 MPH every second of every play and that ain't happening right now. The only way that 5in5out is an advantage is if you push your competition to a tired level

Also we are going to have to give more time for continuity,,,in one of our recent games a 5 in 5 out happened after only 46 seconds (that is ridiculous)...If we don't start giving them at least a minute or two to learn each other's tendencies...THIS will not work

Some of you will take this a me being a negavol
and that is anything but true
I think Kim has a good system and it WILL work, but only if subbing isn't done as it is being done,,,it has to be done with purpose, not by schedule,,,if we keep doing it so fast, we WILL frustrate our players instead of our opponents

I like you, but know where near as much as you like yourself. You think you know more than any of the coaches and everything you post is the gospel. Let's let the professional coaching staff that we have do what they feel is right. The SEC is a little different from level that you coached at. Before you say it, WE ALL KNOW you've coached college level players , but you've never coached against SEC level coaches. My rant is over, have a nice evening. GBO!

 

[Coach Jumper]

I like you, but know where near as much as you like yourself. You think you know more than any of the coaches and everything you post is the gospel. Let's let the professional coaching staff that we have do what they feel is right. The SEC is a little different from level that you coached at. Before you say it, WE ALL KNOW you've coached college level players , but you've never coached against SEC level coaches. My rant is over, have a nice evening. GBO!

Where do you think those SEC teams get their players?

True I have not coached in the SEC, but I have coached many players over the years who ended up on SEC teams.

If you think I am at all trembling at the thought of going against an SEC coach...
well,,,I have a saying
"If you're scared, buy a dog"...I don't own a dog!

bc,,,If you ain't the dog, you're the dog's food

No, I promise you that everything I post is not gospel,,,
to others
But to succeed on the sidelines, it has to be gospel to the preacher preaching...cause if the preacher don't believe it to be gospel, the congregation won't either

 

[Ladyvol777]

I am 64 years old and played a full-ccourt full game yesterday with teens and 20 year olds AFTER my workout! . . (scored four of our 15)
;o)

depth is not needed for a single game unless the foe is already at a disadvantage.
This is being proven by our 3 win 5 loss SEC record

If we are to succeed we will have to be able to get our girls to go 100 MPH every second of every play and that ain't happening right now. The only way that 5in5out is an advantage is if you push your competition to a tired level

Also we are going to have to give more time for continuity,,,in one of our recent games a 5 in 5 out happened after only 46 seconds (that is ridiculous)...If we don't start giving them at least a minute or two to learn each other's tendencies...THIS will not work

Some of you will take this a me being a negavol
and that is anything but true
I think Kim has a good system and it WILL work, but only if subbing isn't done as it is being done,,,it has to be done with purpose, not by schedule,,,if we keep doing it so fast, we WILL frustrate our players instead of our opponents

I agree with this 100%

 

[gule]

it certainly has affected Puckett badly, imho

 

[glv98]

I think Kim has a good system and it WILL work, but only if subbing isn't done as it is being done,,,it has to be done with purpose, not by schedule,,,if we keep doing it so fast, we WILL frustrate our players instead of our opponents

I think Kim thinks it WON'T work without the fresh legs brought about by the hockey line subbing. That may be increasingly true as we get deeper into the season and esp in tourney format. I agree it's disruptive and at time frustrating forr the players. It may be a conflict inherient in the system. Also the reason more programs don't try this system.

 

[glv98]

Updated SEC standings after last night. Big games Sunday Ole Miss/Vandy and KY/OK. Helps us for either Vandy or OM to take a loss; really need KY to drop one.

Standings - Women's Basketball - Southeastern Conference

Comprehensive coverage of SEC football, basketball, baseball and more, including live games, scores, schedules, standings and news

www.secsports.com

 

[Volfan2012]

Regardless of the system not playing with a sense of urgency for 40 minutes. Not playing smart for forty minutes. Not working for the best shot for 40 minutes. We play like South Carolina for about 25 minutes every game and Georgia the other 15. So at this point in the season this team has underacheived their talent. Just 8 or 10 minutes a game we can't keep it together and play effective basketball. Were a more talented team than Vanderbilt and Oklahoma. We should've won at home against LSU. We've let three SEC game slip through our hands and were at the point where were ruining a very promising season if we don't get it together in this stretch run. Coach Kim knows what it takes she hasn't been able to get it out of them. Another week off to get better we'll see where we are Sunday.

As far as the substitution pattern I think Coach will learn that is probably to extreme for the SEC. I can see subs at the three minute mark less than a minute has never made any sense to me. Any player should be able to go hard for three minutes that is like three possessions per team and no more than six if your shooting every fifteen seconds. I mean you could go 3-3-2-2 that is still 20 minutes a player. Actually some players are pushing thirty a game so it makes sense for them to play longer stretches and rest longer stretches.

 

[volsagain]

Updated SEC standings after last night. Big games Sunday Ole Miss/Vandy and KY/OK. Helps us for either Vandy or OM to take a loss; really need KY to drop one.

Standings - Women's Basketball - Southeastern Conference

Comprehensive coverage of SEC football, basketball, baseball and more, including live games, scores, schedules, standings and news

www.secsports.com

Got to be very lucky to get into the top 4 . More realistic would be 6 or 7 seed . Our schedule gets a little better 2nd half but we should have never lost the Oklahoma or Vandy game. The LSU game slipped through our fingers. Now we have to take care of business rest of the season and do well in the tournament to get top 16 seeding. Going far in the tournament is risky because it doesn't give you much rest for the big dance. The men's team have made better showings by going out early in the SEC tournament. GLV

 

[glv98]

Regardless of the system not playing with a sense of urgency for 40 minutes. Not playing smart for forty minutes. Not working for the best shot for 40 minutes. We play like South Carolina for about 25 minutes every game and Georgia the other 15. So at this point in the season this team has underacheived their talent. Just 8 or 10 minutes a game we can't keep it together and play effective basketball. Were a more talented team than Vanderbilt and Oklahoma. We should've won at home against LSU. We've let three SEC game slip through our hands and were at the point where were ruining a very promising season if we don't get it together in this stretch run. Coach Kim knows what it takes she hasn't been able to get it out of them. Another week off to get better we'll see where we are Sunday.

As far as the substitution pattern I think Coach will learn that is probably to extreme for the SEC. I can see subs at the three minute mark less than a minute has never made any sense to me. Any player should be able to go hard for three minutes that is like three possessions per team and no more than six if your shooting every fifteen seconds. I mean you could go 3-3-2-2 that is still 20 minutes a player. Actually some players are pushing thirty a game so it makes sense for them to play longer stretches and rest longer stretches.

I disagree with your first paragraph and agree with the second.

I'm not sure we've underplayed our talent. There's the seniors who never really had the physical talent level for this system. There's uber talent like Coop and Ruby but they're young (esp Coop) and raw at SEC level. Then there's the transfers like Zee and Latham who are still teetering on the edge of how actually talented they are at this level, esp in terms of consistent focus and concentration. All loaded with potential but I'm not sure it was ever reasonable to expect it all to come together so soon. Even so, it definitely could still happen this year. And for sure the talent upgrade next yr should turn the corner.

Agree completely about the subbing, esp the 1 min subbing. That looks suspiciously like doing it just cuz I said I'd do it. And obviously, it's really hurting our vet shooters who need rhythm. Totally agree if they're already going to play 30, let them do it in longer stretches. But I doubt they back off of it, esp next year.

 

[glv98]

Going far in the tournament is risky because it doesn't give you much rest for the big dance. The men's team have made better showings by going out early in the SEC tournament. GLV

Big difference, the women have an extra week off after their tourney while the men are playing theirs. Still though, if we end up playing 3 or 4 straight in the tourney that's big cumulative wear and tear in this intense system. Tired legs are def something we have to look out for.

 

[YankeeVol]

 

[Volfan2012]

I disagree with your first paragraph and agree with the second.

I'm not sure we've underplayed our talent. There's the seniors who never really had the physical talent level for this system. There's uber talent like Coop and Ruby but they're young (esp Coop) and raw at SEC level. Then there's the transfers like Zee and Latham who are still teetering on the edge of how actually talented they are at this level, esp in terms of consistent focus and concentration. All loaded with potential but I'm not sure it was ever reasonable to expect it all to come together so soon. Even so, it definitely could still happen this year. And for sure the talent upgrade next yr should turn the corner.

Agree completely about the subbing, esp the 1 min subbing. That looks suspiciously like doing it just cuz I said I'd do it. And obviously, it's really hurting our vet shooters who need rhythm. Totally agree if they're already going to play 30, let them do it in longer stretches. But I doubt they back off of it, esp next year.

We play at one level for 25 minutes per game and a completely different level the other 15. Spearman, Boyd, Hollingshead were ranked in the 30's in their hoopgurlz classes. Puckett was 43. Spencer no ranking and Spear and Latham top 100 but a little lower. Darby was a four star not quite in the top 100. Cooper and Whitehorn top 15 players. I see a really quick explosive team that doesn't play as a team all of the game and plays out of control 20 possessions per games. Not saying we should be undefeated in the SEC but we have more AA's than Vandy or Oklahoma so those two have to be considered underacheiving. SC, Texas, and LSU have more talent. Other than those three no one in the SEC does.

 

[KnoxLikeUs]

We play at one level for 25 minutes per game and a completely different level the other 15. Spearman, Boyd, Hollingshead were ranked in the 30's in their hoopgurlz classes. Puckett was 43. Spencer no ranking and Spear and Latham top 100 but a little lower. Darby was a four star not quite in the top 100. Cooper and Whitehorn top 15 players. I see a really quick explosive team that doesn't play as a team all of the game and plays out of control 20 possessions per games. Not saying we should be undefeated in the SEC but we have more AA's than Vandy or Oklahoma so those two have to be considered underacheiving. SC, Texas, and LSU have more talent. Other than those three no one in the SEC does.

I agree. Tennessee has better talent than Oklahoma and Vanderbilt.
The shortcomings so far this season are mainly due to in only 20 games there’s a lack of chemistry playing together.
I don’t think there’s as wide a gap in terms of talent between Tennessee, LSU, and Texas.
Those teams have proven veteran coaching staffs and some players experienced in their system for multiple seasons.
I think in a second matchup Tennessee could certainly defeat any of the teams they have loss to this season.

 

[Volfan2012]

I agree. Tennessee has better talent than Oklahoma and Vanderbilt.
The shortcomings so far this season are mainly due to in only 20 games there’s a lack of chemistry playing together.
I don’t think there’s as wide a gap in terms of talent between Tennessee, LSU, and Texas.
Those teams have proven veteran coaching staffs and some players experienced in their system for multiple seasons.
I think in a second matchup Tennessee could certainly defeat any of the teams they have loss to this season.

We have our chance at LSU big game for us and one we need to win.

 

[KnoxLikeUs]

This is true. The South Carolina game is a perfect example of how Tennessee could be strategic with substituting and playing this system.
South Carolina played 6 guards and 3 forwards in their rotation against Tennessee. All 9 played in each quarter. They didn’t use platoon substitution and constant subbing every 1-2 minutes. Because as you stated it’s extreme in a way to sub players who are productive when on the floor and don’t need to rest; just as it is to play a player for 1-2 minute stretches who is not productive to fill in the rotation when subbing 5 in and 5 out four four quarters.
If we’re going to platoon substitute then all 10 need to contribute something it can’t be 7 out of 10 or 9 out of 10.
I still think Favor is a player that needs to play more if we’re committed 100% to 5 in and 5 out.
She rebounds and plays defense every single possession on the court.

Regardless of the system not playing with a sense of urgency for 40 minutes. Not playing smart for forty minutes. Not working for the best shot for 40 minutes. We play like South Carolina for about 25 minutes every game and Georgia the other 15. So at this point in the season this team has underacheived their talent. Just 8 or 10 minutes a game we can't keep it together and play effective basketball. Were a more talented team than Vanderbilt and Oklahoma. We should've won at home against LSU. We've let three SEC game slip through our hands and were at the point where were ruining a very promising season if we don't get it together in this stretch run. Coach Kim knows what it takes she hasn't been able to get it out of them. Another week off to get better we'll see where we are Sunday.

As far as the substitution pattern I think Coach will learn that is probably to extreme for the SEC. I can see subs at the three minute mark less than a minute has never made any sense to me. Any player should be able to go hard for three minutes that is like three possessions per team and no more than six if your shooting every fifteen seconds. I mean you could go 3-3-2-2 that is still 20 minutes a player. Actually some players are pushing thirty a game so it makes sense for them to play longer stretches and rest longer stretches.

 

[glv98]

Tennessee planning upgrades to Food City Center, Danny White says 'it will be big time'

Tennessee announced Friday planned upgrades to Food City Center, including a new centercourt video board and a premium club for 1,500 seats.

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Hopefully an updated sound system will make all that damn noise they insist on (yes, boomer moment) sound somewhat listenable.

 

[lvocd]

I think what's most frustrating most of us is that we have seen Tennessee, in quite a few several-minute stretches and a few quarters here and there, looking truly special. In those moments they look like a top-5 team.

As Pat used to say to her teams, "Be careful what you show me."

That this team has shown, several times this season, that they are capable of maintaining intense focus and have the talent to compete at a super-high level but not consistently, is what's maddening. Once they showed us they CAN do it, but then too often DON'T, is what brings out the worst in a lot of forum posters.

I'd still like to think the staff might do well to try to find out from the players themselves where and why they think the disconnect happens. I mean, what do they think are the reasons for all the Jekyll/Hyde-ing? Fatigue? Confusion? Waxing and waning confidence? Fear of fouling? Paralyzing fear of failure?

If ever the Lady Vols were to start consistently putting together 30-40 minutes in games as the best of what they've already shown they can be for 5-10, they'll be more than capable of winning championships.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I think Kim thinks it WON'T work without the fresh legs brought about by the hockey line subbing. That may be increasingly true as we get deeper into the season and esp in tourney format. I agree it's disruptive and at time frustrating forr the players. It may be a conflict inherient in the system. Also the reason more programs don't try this system.

the thing is this type of system depends on two things,,out-endurancing and volume shooting....but,,,once you get into the upper echelons of the NCAA teams,,,pretty much all of them have depth and athletes to match us,,,it is then that volume shooting and scoring comes into play and 3 for 26 shooting threes will kill us every time

 

[Volfan2012]

I think what's most frustrating most of us is that we have seen Tennessee, in quite a few several-minute stretches and a few quarters here and there, looking truly special. In those moments they look like a top-5 team.

As Pat used to say to her teams, "Be careful what you show me."

That this team has shown, several times this season, that they are capable of maintaining intense focus and have the talent to compete at a super-high level but not consistently, is what's maddening. Once they showed us they CAN do it, but then too often DON'T, is what brings out the worst in a lot of forum posters.

I'd still like to think the staff might do well to try to find out from the players themselves where and why they think the disconnect happens. I mean, what do they think are the reasons for all the Jekyll/Hyde-ing? Fatigue? Confusion? Waxing and waning confidence? Fear of fouling? Paralyzing fear of failure?

If ever the Lady Vols were to start consistently putting together 30-40 minutes in games as the best of what they've already shown they can be for 5-10, they'll be more than capable of winning championships.

Exactly and it is time to get it going still can have a really great season. We have to play for 40 minutes and we can go far this season and in the NCAA

 

[Volfan2012]

the thing is this type of system depends on two things,,out-endurancing and volume shooting....but,,,once you get into the upper echelons of the NCAA teams,,,pretty much all of them have depth and athletes to match us,,,it is then that volume shooting and scoring comes into play and 3 for 26 shooting threes will kill us every time

Not just a loss to SC should be a loss to anybody. Spencer after a great start has been in a slump, Jewel comes and goes game to game same for Darby, Puckett has never found it this season. Everybody else should be looking mid-range and driving the basket.

 

[KnoxLikeUs]

Several valid points.
More time is necessary to build chemistry among players at the top of our rotation.
I think the predetermined substitutions are a benefit to individual players and not the team.
If 5in and 5out is the philosophy then a player like Favor Ayodele should play off the bench to provide the rebounding and defense that is severely lacking in spots.
I’ll prefer a defensive stopper and strong rebounder over any shooter for spacing that hasn’t been consistent or productive over a stretch of 20 games.
We already have 4 scorers that can get buckets, Ayodele, Latham, and Boyd can provide defense and perhaps generate easy baskets when we are in a drought shooting offensively.

I am 64 years old and played a full-ccourt full game yesterday with teens and 20 year olds AFTER my workout! . . (scored four of our 15)
;o)

depth is not needed for a single game unless the foe is already at a disadvantage.
This is being proven by our 3 win 5 loss SEC record

If we are to succeed we will have to be able to get our girls to go 100 MPH every second of every play and that ain't happening right now. The only way that 5in5out is an advantage is if you push your competition to a tired level

Also we are going to have to give more time for continuity,,,in one of our recent games a 5 in 5 out happened after only 46 seconds (that is ridiculous)...If we don't start giving them at least a minute or two to learn each other's tendencies...THIS will not work

Some of you will take this a me being a negavol
and that is anything but true
I think Kim has a good system and it WILL work, but only if subbing isn't done as it is being done,,,it has to be done with purpose, not by schedule,,,if we keep doing it so fast, we WILL frustrate our players instead of our opponents

 

[glv98]

I think what's most frustrating most of us is that we have seen Tennessee, in quite a few several-minute stretches and a few quarters here and there, looking truly special. In those moments they look like a top-5 team.

As Pat used to say to her teams, "Be careful what you show me."

That this team has shown, several times this season, that they are capable of maintaining intense focus and have the talent to compete at a super-high level but not consistently, is what's maddening. Once they showed us they CAN do it, but then too often DON'T, is what brings out the worst in a lot of forum posters.

I'd still like to think the staff might do well to try to find out from the players themselves where and why they think the disconnect happens. I mean, what do they think are the reasons for all the Jekyll/Hyde-ing? Fatigue? Confusion? Waxing and waning confidence? Fear of fouling? Paralyzing fear of failure?

If ever the Lady Vols were to start consistently putting together 30-40 minutes in games as the best of what they've already shown they can be for 5-10, they'll be more than capable of winning championships.

I just think this is normal and true of every team that's mid to good and not just obviously awful. Many teams have flashes of what they could be. Everyone wishes they could be that team all the time. Hopefully for us it's a stage of growth.

Being able to play at a high skill level and consistently execute game plan and maintain confidence, poise and focus throughout the game is what separates So Carolina and the rest of us. It seems to be built into rare top notch talent which is why Joyce Edwards already has it. Maybe it comes with confidence in your physical talent. Most struggle for it and get there to varying degrees and it's the coach's hardest job.

 

[lvocd]

Exactly and it is time to get it going still can have a really great season. We have to play for 40 minutes and we can go far this season and in the NCAA

A part of me thinks if we can even manage to bring it for 30 it *may* be enough -- IF we build enough of a lead in those 30. My biggest fear is that the 1.5 minute subbing is causing "battery memory" in our players' legs and that they'll crash and burn if suddenly asked to do more now. And giving the shooters a bit more time before subbing may be what needs to happen, so we'll see.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I just think this is normal and true of every team that's mid to good and not just obviously awful. Many teams have flashes of what they could be. Everyone wishes they could be that team all the time. Hopefully for us it's a stage of growth.

Being able to play at a high skill level and consistently execute game plan and maintain confidence, poise and focus throughout the game is what separates So Carolina and the rest of us. It seems to be built into rare top notch talent which is why Joyce Edwards already has it. Maybe it comes with confidence in your physical talent. Most struggle for it and get there to varying degrees and it's the coach's hardest job.

it comes with knowing and reading your personnel...coaches and players!
"The right words",,, its not just a motto