‘18 QB Grad Transfer Keller Chryst (UT commit 3/1/18)

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VolGee4 said:
While Fromm is good, the point was that he didn't have to do anything special (like slinging it around a bunch of times) to win games. He had 8 games where he threw 16 or less passes, all wins. He was 4/7 against UF.
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He didn’t HAVE to do anything special...but he did. They don’t have that season with better pure passer Eason imo. In fact they don’t beat Notre Dame.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Fitzgerald has more pressure on him to perform than any of them. I’d bet if they weren’t running him to death he’d be a better passer. Running QBs a lot of time have more injuries they are hiding. That hinders their passing a lot especially if they aren’t super elusive like Lamar Jackson.
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I agree! I'm not sure how well he plays without Mullen but I'll be honest I know nothing about Miss State's new staff or what they will be running. My concern if I'm a St fan is he digressed instead of progressing as a passer from 16-17 to 17-18 and his rushing stats dropped too. I didn't see many of Miss State's games so I don't know if it was more him or what he had around him.They may run him more because it's his strong suit having only seen 3 of their games I really don't know.
 
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butchna said:
He didn’t HAVE to do anything special...but he did. They don’t have that season with better pure passer Eason imo. In fact they don’t beat Notre Dame.
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Yea, I can't get into each specific game, but he didn't win every game like that.

The point was that UGA had a game manager for a majority of their wins because of the rest of their team and strengths. We aren't going undefeated, but the intent of the original post was that he didn't think our coaches would force our QB to go out and win every game.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Our QB has to be a playmaker with his arm to win games this year. We’ll see what happens but it won’t be like Stanford at all.
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Definitely..Stanford did sling it around more when Luck and Hogan was their QB. But the last several yrs they had Christian McCafferty then Bryce Love to run the ball. We definitely will throw it around more than Stanford has recently, or atleast try.
 
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HankHill said:
Georgia just made it to the title game with nothing special at QB... you don’t need elite QB play in college to win.
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They also had 2 NFL running backs so, he wasn't asked to do much. It also depends on the makeup of your team. If you are loaded with elite RB's and a good OLine you don't need to pass for 300 a game. But in our case right now we don't have any established RB's who take over games and makes the QB's life easier. Nor do we have a good SEC OLine yet. So that puts more on the QB to make plays in the pass game and help open up the run game. Ga also had one of the best Defense's in the country and were a veteran team.
 
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JacketVol said:
Switch them from their teams and what would you have? Fromm would’ve been are alive if he was playing at UT last year.
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Thank you! Our fans act like JG is horrid. Kid didn’t even turn the ball over while getting destroyed in the pocket. WRs weren’t getting open and playcalls were horrid along with shoddy O-line play.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, I can't get into each specific game, but he didn't win every game like that.

The point was that UGA had a game manager for a majority of their wins because of the rest of their team and strengths. We aren't going undefeated, but the intent of the original post was that he didn't think our coaches would force our QB to go out and win every game.
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yep. sometimes things just "fit" and they "work".

UGA had a very good all around team, and they didn't require a qb to elevate them.

it was definitely the sum of the pieces for them last year.

at the same time, you give the QB credit, cause he's thrown in, a freshman, and he didn't freak out, and he executed what they asked him to execute. and he had enough of a skill set to do that pretty darn well.

whereas for us, i think you'd of had to have a difference maker at QB for the results to be drastically different. Fromm likely would not have been a difference maker for the 2017 vols. i mean, i'm talking Cam Newton like difference maker......
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Thank you! Our fans act like JG is horrid. Kid didn’t even turn the ball over while getting destroyed in the pocket. WRs weren’t getting open and playcalls were horrid along with shoddy O-line play.
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i think it's hard to evaluate him on the whole. i think he obviously has a lot to learn, i do think pre snap, his read skills weren't there, cause his recognition was pretty poor.

but that's film study and experience. he can get better.

i'm anxious to see what he looks like this season. :thumbsup:
 
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butchna said:
And Fromm didn’t play much in the second half of several games. Part and parcel of being the field general of a dominant team. I believe JG has gotten an unfair rap on here, but the two aren’t comparable...performance wise.
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VolGee4 said:
While Fromm is good, the point was that he didn't have to do anything special (like slinging it around a bunch of times) to win games. He had 8 games where he threw 16 or less passes, all wins. He was 4/7 against UF.
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That's all I was saying.
 
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butchna said:
He didn’t HAVE to do anything special...but he did. They don’t have that season with better pure passer Eason imo. In fact they don’t beat Notre Dame.
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He didn’t do anything special. Their offense was mostly one read or set up off play action.
 
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HankHill said:
Fromm wasn’t asked to do anything in that offense. If you Fitzgerald on uga they are your nafhinal champion by a land slide.
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dunno. i sometimes think teams that have that dynamic qb, tend to press to much at the qb spot, instead of letting the game flow.

not saying that wouldn't be the case at UGA....but having a guy like Fromm, that could do what they asked him to do, allowed all the other pieces of the offense to work, and made them a pretty tough match up for 97% of the teams they played.

aside from Bama, Auburn first time 'round, and OU, they pretty much did what they wanted offensively, which was primarily run it down your throat, and be opportunistic in the passing game.

play good defense, which they did, and you can win a lot of games that way.

i look at From, in some ways as far as doing what he was asked to do, the same way i look at Tee Martin in 98. now, i think the celing is a lot higher on Fromm, but for that single year.....do what you're asked to do, let the team do what they do because they're good enough to NOT have to be carried by a qb......things worked out.......
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, I can't get into each specific game, but he didn't win every game like that.

The point was that UGA had a game manager for a majority of their wins because of the rest of their team and strengths. We aren't going undefeated, but the intent of the original post was that he didn't think our coaches would force our QB to go out and win every game.
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Point being he did everything NEEDED to win. I don’t dismiss him because their running game was epic. Not every QB wins as much...Eason didn’t.
 
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HankHill said:
Fromm wasn’t asked to do anything in that offense. If you Fitzgerald on uga they are your nafhinal champion by a land slide.
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I don’t think they make the playoffs. I have equal SCIENCE on my side.
 
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^Good point but Fromm is also the reason they scored 10 second half points including OT. Bama tightened up and he got exposed for what he was imo.
 
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butchna said:
Point being he did everything NEEDED to win. I don’t dismiss him because their running game was epic. Not every QB wins as much...Eason didn’t.
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And Fromm wasn’t the one who sat Michael at the end of the game. That was a tactical decision out of the QBs hands. If whoever the QB is on the field this year for the Vols doesn’t lose the game and makes the occasional big play, the season will be a success.
 
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HankHill said:
I’m not saying Fromm is a scrub. I just think he’s solid. Nothing special.
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...again...he was a FRESHMAN.

Maybe wait a bit before deeming him "nothing special."

Name me a few other true freshmen qbs that performed that well....



I'll wait.
 
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bignewt said:
...again...he was a FRESHMAN.

Maybe wait a bit before deeming him "nothing special."

Name me a few other true freshmen qbs that performed that well....



I'll wait.
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That well as in what they actually did for an offense or just because he got to the title game? There’s a big difference.
 
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HankHill said:
That well as in what they actually did for an offense or just because he got to the title game? There’s a big difference.
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Sam bradford, Manziel, Jamies all were unbelievable as freshman.

Edit; JT Barrett was also crazy good year 1 too.
 
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They definitely don't get to the title game with Eason. Not because of Fromm, but because Chaney was forced to rely on the run game and not get all pass happy like he always has been. Fromm was a game manager, but I could see him being very good down the road. I could also see Chaney going back to his old ways and putting the game on his back and Fromm having a terrible sophomore year.
 
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