1/5 of Gen Z (1997-2004) identify as LGBT.

[utvolpj]

Why is it the Creator made it so only a biological male and biological female can reproduce? Why weren't we created to procreate through the same sex or even asexual?

What a nonsense argument. Not every straight person can reproduce. Why did the almighty creator choose to do that?

 

[volgr]

Groups like NMBLA have been trying to weasel their way into the LGBTQ community for some time and have always been roundly rejected. It's not getting any closer to acceptance. It's detestable and criminal.

It's detestable...unless they call you a bigot or a pedophobe...then you capitulate.

 

[volgr]

What a nonsense argument. Not every straight person can reproduce. Why did the almighty creator choose to do that?

Not every child is born, some children die, etc, etc...why did the Creator do that??? Your question has no bearing on my statement.

 

[gcbvol]

Why is it the Creator made it so only a biological male and biological female can reproduce? Why weren't we created to procreate through the same sex or even asexual?

Homosexuality has been around forever and exists all over the natural world. From a biological perspective it is abnormal, but also completely natural. We still don't understand why it exists, but it has persisted throughout known history.

 

[utvolpj]

Not every child is born, some children die, etc, etc...why did the Creator do that??? Your question has no bearing on my statement.

That's because your statement is nonsense. The ability to reproduce has nothing to do with inate sexuality.

 

[Gandalf]

I disagree on sexual attraction and feel it is innate. It's not perfect, but I use the Kinsey scale as an example. 0 is full heterosexual and 6 is full homosexual, with 1-5 making up the folks somewhere between. I'm a full 6 and would wager you're a full 0. I don't believe those positions can be changed.

To your point on action, I agree. I feel that's the only conscious choice when it comes to sexuality.

100%. Now, if we're talking only a homosexual act it's a different answer. If we're talking actually changing one's sexuality my answer remains the same. Sexuality is innate. Violent acts are decisions.

Thats just the point though. A sexual predilection/preference could certainly be innate (hormonal balance, etc) or it can be influenced by environment but a sexual ACT is simply a decision for which you are responsible.

 

[volgr]

Why is it the Creator made it so only a biological male and biological female can reproduce? Why weren't we created to procreate through the same sex or even asexual?

Again, I am saying most (the vast majority) chose that alternate lifestyle, I'm not saying all (although I am open to arguments that all could be).

 

[DinkinFlicka]

This thread is going from slippery slope to full on avalanche.

 

[volgr]

That's because your statement is nonsense. The ability to reproduce has nothing to do with inate sexuality.

The ability to reproduce isn't what I said. I said why is it the Creator only allowed male/female to procreate? Why can't same sex or asexuals reproduce?

 

[gcbvol]

Thats just the point though. A sexual predilection/preference could certainly be innate (hormonal balance, etc) or it can be influenced by environment but a sexual ACT is simply a decision for which you are responsible.

Yes, I've heard this a lot in my lifetime. You'd be much more palatable to society if you chose celibacy.

 

[utvolpj]

The ability to reproduce isn't what I said. I said why is it the Creator only allowed male/female to procreate? Why can't same sex or asexuals reproduce?

Your claim was that homosexuality was a lifestyle choice because according to biology only a male/female could reproduce. That was your nonsense argument that you're trying to run away from now

 

[gcbvol]

Again, I am saying most (the vast majority) chose that alternate lifestyle, I'm not saying all (although I am open to arguments that all could be).

I can promise you I've never had the slightest attraction to women, and man did I try. I didn't accept my sexuality until I was 22, after fighting it many years.

How many of you folks had similar struggles accepting your sexuality?

 

[allvol123]

Groups like NMBLA have been trying to weasel their way into the LGBTQ community for some time and have always been roundly rejected. It's not getting any closer to acceptance. It's detestable and criminal.

Pedophilia is now talked about as on the spectrum and is not even considered a problem now unless you act on it. It is getting closer.

 

[gcbvol]

Pedophilia is now talked about as on the spectrum and is not even considered a problem now unless you act on it. It is getting closer.

But that's the entire point. The act is criminal because one party is incapable of consent.

 

[SamRebel35]

OK, so why is the divorce rate so low among atheists and so high among Christians?

Athiests don't get married at the clip that Christians do either. Apples and oranges.

 

[volgr]

Your claim was that homosexuality was a lifestyle choice because according to biology only a male/female could reproduce. That was your nonsense argument that you're trying to run away from now

My claim was for MOST it was a lifestyle choice. When asked why, I said because only the male/female combination can reproduce. I am not running away from anything. Why can't male/male, female/female and asexuals reproduce?

 

[LouderVol]

Why is it the Creator made it so only a biological male and biological female can reproduce? Why weren't we created to procreate through the same sex or even asexual?

because thats a hugely complex biological function. Women have an extra chromosome than men already, and thats dealing with one DNA import option (Male to female only). getting the biology to work with all the various possible combinations would be problematic and complicated without a correspondingly high return. I think there are some pretty far down the food chain animals that have multiple reproductive options, but the rule is typically male to female.

 

[allvol123]

But that's the entire point. The act is criminal because one party is incapable of consent.

What is the point? It is illegal today? The fact that the DSM changed their stance on it is the point. The path to acceptance will continue. The alphabet community by and large has no issue with this segment of their group engaging children.

 

[Gandalf]

Homosexuality has been around forever and exists all over the natural world. From a biological perspective it is abnormal, but also completely natural. We still don't understand why it exists, but it has persisted throughout known history.

Definitely agree there. It is aberrant and abnormal but found in the state of nature and not simply within human kind.

Yes, I've heard this a lot in my lifetime. You'd be much more palatable to society if you chose celibacy.

I cannot say much for the ephemeral nature of society's palate but rather speak from the eternality of a Christian's perspective - that it is not the urges that are sinful but the acting on them outside their place. Mind you, this same injunction is for ANY sexual activity outside of marriage. I am not judging here, btw, only affirming the standard. I had no less difficulty with celibacy in my youth than others whose passions burn bright and at times was more successful than others. But for Eru's grace, none of us could stand.

 

[volgr]

I can promise you I've never had the slightest attraction to women

I find that almost impossible to believe, but that is why I say for most it is a choice. You can't love women or just aren't sexually attracted to them?

 

[utvolpj]

My claim was for MOST it was a lifestyle choice. When asked why, I said because only the male/female combination can reproduce. I am not running away from anything. Why can't male/male, female/female and asexuals reproduce?

and most will tell you it's not a choice

What does reproduction have to do with being a sexual choice or not? It's completely unrelated

 

[SamRebel35]

I missed my opportunity to post in this thread while it was interesting.

 

[gcbvol]

What is the point? It is illegal today? The fact that the DSM changed their stance on it is the point. The path to acceptance will continue. The alphabet community by and large has no issue with this segment of their group engaging children.

I am a part of that community and you are wrong. We have major issues with it. Frankly, we're highly invested in protecting children as a lot of us suffered intense bullying and abuse in our youth. My husband and I are active supporters of local non-profits supporting at risk youth.

 

[gcbvol]

Definitely agree there. It is aberrant and abnormal but found in the state of nature and not simply within human kind.



I cannot say much for the ephemeral nature of society's palate but rather speak from the eternality of a Christian's perspective - that it is not the urges that are sinful but the acting on them outside their place. Mind you, this same injunction is for ANY sexual activity outside of marriage. I am not judging here, btw, only affirming the standard. I had no less difficulty with celibacy in my youth than others whose passions burn bright and at times was more successful than others. But for Eru's grace, none of us could stand.

Appreciate your perspective and understand. I was a person of faith which made acceptance an intense and painful struggle. But it came down to life or death for me and I chose to live.

 

[allvol123]

I am a part of that community and you are wrong. We have major issues with it. Frankly, we're highly invested in protecting children as a lot of us suffered intense bullying and abuse in our youth. My husband and I are active supporters of local non-profits supporting at risk youth.

So again, you’re just on the spectrum now if you are attracted to children. Nothing wrong with you. Just who you are.

It is only a problem if you act on it. That is not moving closer?