'10 CA QB Chase Rettig

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Jewbaccah said:
LOL at your edit Sab. That is one heck of an edit. Dude I never said they get film from rivals it is about the stars. It is about fans believing they got a good guy. Coaches play a political game and feel the best players will win anyway. I have said not every coach. I have said not our coaches. If you want to change what I said cuz you want to win an argument or use someone like Grateful Vol,LOL, to further supplement your argument go right ahead. In the end I know you are smart enough to understand what I am saying. Where they get film is irrelevant.
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Yeah, I missed your quote. Didn't want to start a totally new post. Now I'm not sure what you are saying. I didn't change what you are saying to win any argument though. You're confusing me with the other no-it-alls on this site. I may have misunderstood your argument, but I wouldn't change your post to win an argument. That's not why I get in these discussions anyway. It's to set the record straight or offer another viewpoint. I'd honestly like for you to point out where you think I did that, because I looked it over again and didn't see it.

You said Fulmer took one guy over another based on stars. I asked for proof.

You said they do it for job security. I pointed out that that is a quick way to lose your job as a coach.

You seem to put some kind of importance on rivals rankings that isn't there. Most fans realize that the rankings are meaningless and the coaches evaluations are what's important. Sure there are idiot "star watchers" out there, but the fans that have an ounce of intelligence know that Rivals rankings are inaccurate and arbitrary. I, as a fan, would vehemently oppose a coach using Rivals or any other website to recruit.

I don't appreciate or understand the insinuation that I am using Grateful to supplement my argument. His point that I agreed with had little to do with our argument. I simply pointed out that what he said was correct and gave a website that I thought some would be interested in checking out. Seriously, dude what are you trying to do here?
slovog said:
Sab i see that you changed your avatar. Steve's death has hit us all hard . I live here in nashville too.
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I mourn for him. I'm going to LP field and to the memorial.
 
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sctrojanfan said:
Am I the only one who finds it interesting that Rettig did not commit on the spot?
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Yes. Rettig has been in Hawaii all week. He just got the offer. Probably wants to talk it over with family and make sure he is not rushing anything and then will commit.

My guess, by the end of the week. Next week at the latest.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Yes. Rettig has been in Hawaii all week. He just got the offer. Probably wants to talk it over with family and make sure he is not rushing anything and then will commit.

My guess, by the end of the week. Next week at the latest.
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Here's to hoping you're right! :toast:
 
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Sab most fans do not think of things to the depths you do. Most fans see we got 5 star this highly ranked that and that is all they ever take in. Then they see performance on the field. Look at FSU. Bowden continues to take big time talent as far as rivals is concerned yet nothing to show for it in a decade or more. Pitt is an example. And we are an example under Fulmer. This is not about film or where they get it. It is not that the coaches think it matters it is that they know the effect of a highly ranked class. Anyone who believes that these coaches by golly just can't buy a break or can't coach em up is not paying attention IMO. They are not doing what our guys do now. They are not basing offers on film and beating out guys in competitions at camps. They offer based on the stars. I swear to you they do. Then they go look at film when they are deciding between two guys on their list. I would bet Fulmer has offered more than 50 percent of his guys over the last decade without watching an ounce of film. Maybe when he gets desperate for a good player at a spot he falls back on old habits and does what got him where he was. But he got lazy. Bowden, Brown, Wannedstat(Spelling?) are all these type of guys. It is not that they do not watch film. But their list there starting place is stars and then interest level. They do not push if they are not automatically in a top 5. Something our staff does.

As far as your proof well if I come across an article on Fulmer's recruiting habits I will let you know I did read at sometime how he put a lot of value into where his class ranked and how many stars players had.

We can agree to disagree. It is not that big a deal. Sorry if I was confusing in my explanation.
 
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I'm not taking sides here, but I will say this- the majority of the people I know that claim to be UT fans don't follow it 10% as closely as we do. The other day I was all excited about Palardy and about 1 out of 10 people I talked to knew who I was talking about. It was shameful.

Of course, any coach who wants to keep his job wouldn't give two :crap2: about the perception of those fans!
 
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I think the average fan only cares what the team looks like on the field. The stars are just some thing to talk about during the off season. There is an article on espn about how Miami(fL) used Rivals to do its recruiting at the end of the Coker era. They were getting talent based on Rivals rankings, but the talent wasn't fitting the system they ran. Coaches have to watch film to see how they would project to the system.
 
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"I am happy with the offer and the opportunity there (at Tennessee)," Rettig offered. "But this is all so new and I liked my trip to Boston College and it's a good place too. I just have a lot of things to think about now."

"The Tennessee offer changes things because it's an other option for me," Rettig said. "Monday, Boston College was my only offer and I thought it might be the best opportunity I was going to get. I didn't know. Now, I have things to research and I will look at the pros and cons of both schools to figure out what is best for me."
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He says he has no timetable for his decision. Talked to coach Reeves all day via email. Stresses that he likes both schools and he needs to do research to figure out what's best for him.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
He says he has no timetable for his decision. Talked to coach Reeves all day via email. Stresses that he likes both schools and he needs to do research to figure out what's best for him.
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This is a situation that he can't pass up, that is unless Scroggins goes to Florida by some strange happening. Even then, I don't see USC making him a priority. They could though.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Sab most fans do not think of things to the depths you do. Most fans see we got 5 star this highly ranked that and that is all they ever take in. Then they see performance on the field. Look at FSU. Bowden continues to take big time talent as far as rivals is concerned yet nothing to show for it in a decade or more. Pitt is an example. And we are an example under Fulmer. This is not about film or where they get it. It is not that the coaches think it matters it is that they know the effect of a highly ranked class. Anyone who believes that these coaches by golly just can't buy a break or can't coach em up is not paying attention IMO. They are not doing what our guys do now. They are not basing offers on film and beating out guys in competitions at camps. They offer based on the stars. I swear to you they do. Then they go look at film when they are deciding between two guys on their list. I would bet Fulmer has offered more than 50 percent of his guys over the last decade without watching an ounce of film. Maybe when he gets desperate for a good player at a spot he falls back on old habits and does what got him where he was. But he got lazy. Bowden, Brown, Wannedstat(Spelling?) are all these type of guys. It is not that they do not watch film. But their list there starting place is stars and then interest level. They do not push if they are not automatically in a top 5. Something our staff does.

As far as your proof well if I come across an article on Fulmer's recruiting habits I will let you know I did read at sometime how he put a lot of value into where his class ranked and how many stars players had.

We can agree to disagree. It is not that big a deal. Sorry if I was confusing in my explanation.
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This is absolutely not true. Take a look at Eric's 2011 offer list. None of those guys have stars. Look at some of the offer lists for the QBs, guys like Kasen Williams and Kenny Hilliard. They already have offers from some of the best programs in the nation. You're just wrong on this, bud. I don't know how else to say it. Coaches do not offer based on stars. Look at Texas. They have 75% of their class committed before Rivals even ranks the prospects! Their list has nothing at all to do with stars. I don't know where you are coming up with this. Rivals is for the fans. The coaches do not use it as a tool to evaluate prospects, rank prospects, or anything of the sort. They do much of that before the stars even come out. I'm not sure why you think the stars on Rivals is so significant. It doesn't mean anything.

As far as putting stock into where your class ends up, yeah, of course you do. Recruits look at that. That's why it is significant and is the only reason it is significant. We aren't going to pass on taking a 3 star guy that is perfect for our system because it will affect our rivals ranking. It just isn't going to happen.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
This is absolutely not true. Take a look at Eric's 2011 offer list. None of those guys have stars. Look at some of the offer lists for the QBs, guys like Kasen Williams and Kenny Hilliard. They already have offers from some of the best programs in the nation. You're just wrong on this, bud. I don't know how else to say it. Coaches do not offer based on stars. Look at Texas. They have 75% of their class committed before Rivals even ranks the prospects!

As far as putting stock into where your class ends up, yeah, of course you do. Recruits look at that. That's why it is significant and is the only reason it is significant. We aren't going to pass on taking a 3 star guy that is perfect for our system because it will affect our rivals ranking. It just isn't going to happen.
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I have said a few times now our guys do not do this. Other teams do, not all, but a good amount of them. It is not the only way they recruit but it is a big part of it. Don't know why you keep saying what our guys do when I say I know our guys don't do that. What is the point here?

As far as continued debate on it. No thanks:hi:
 
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Jewbaccah said:
I have said a few times now our guys do not do this. Other teams do, not all, but a good amount of them. It is not the only way they recruit but it is a big part of it. Don't know why you keep saying what our guys do when I say I know our guys don't do that. What is the point here?

As far as continued debate on it. No thanks:hi:
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You are saying a good amount of teams use Rivals star rankings as a big part of their recruiting efforts. You couldn't be more wrong and I don't know where you got this idea. It's simply not true. Again, look at everything that goes on before Rivals even does their rankings. Most teams already have a plan and know most of the guys they are going to go after. Take a look at the offers for next year's class. Not for us. For other teams. Look at how many prospects have already been evaluated and offered. You are claiming that they offer based on stars. They just don't do that. Rivals may be important to the fans, but the coaches know you can't trust their rankings.

I don't blame you for not wanting to debate it. You are making a claim for which you have absolutely no proof and the burden of proof is on you. It makes no sense for anyone to recruit that way. It's a good way to put your team in the toilet.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
In recruiting game, University of Miami finds film doesn't lie -- OrlandoSentinel.com


"I used to go in the coaches' offices, and sometimes they would literally have Rivals.com up on their screen," said Matt Shodell, who covers UM and its recruiting for CaneSport.com. "I won't name the coaches, but they would be writing names down on pieces of paper. I don't know how much film they were looking at."
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I am completely aware of that story and it is proof of what I was saying. They screwed up and admitted it. I promise you they will pay the rankings the attention they deserve from now on which is zero.

Your contention that spawned this entire debate was that most staffs use Rivals to evaluate players. They don't. If they do, then they end up in the same situation that Miami did. The few that do this will grow to regret it. If a staff isn't capable of making their own evaluations then they don't deserve to coach at a DI school. I think you'll find this is very true with Miami. That staff is not going to keep their jobs very long. That is just one stupid move that has been made public and if they are that inept, then there are probably many more that we aren't aware of.

I said the same when this story first surfaced. I'm shocked actually that a staff could be that careless.
 
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guys rivals and scout, are just ways of getting the kids names out their, and if the coaches hear the name enough they go in and do there own evals, the star ratings will get you talked about more sure, but this is why they look at thousands of players each year, and countless hours of film, not from public web sites.
 
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pull the trigger man....you had a night to sleep over the offer...that should be all it takes
 
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Hens67 said:
pull the trigger man....you had a night to sleep over the offer...that should be all it takes
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I doubt he slept. He probably was too excited. This is all just now becoming a reality. He is going to go to a big time program and likely get 2-3 years of playing time. I mean people keep saying we will get this great guy in 11', but almost no one is good enough to start as a freshmen. Stafford was not good as a freshmen, Tebow was not ready, Manning needed a year and so on. I think one of the 10' guys starts in 11'. I would think if Rettig comes here he would be the favorite to do that. Now if we get a rockstar and then whoever sucks, i.e. Rettig, we may decide to throw the 11' guy in for development.
 
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Hens67 said:
pull the trigger man....you had a night to sleep over the offer...that should be all it takes
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Very true but keep in mind it is 5:30 in CA...Rettig probably doesn't get up before 9:00...and it looks like it takes him a few hrs to do his hair....I think we hear something this afternoon.
 
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