'10 GA QB Hutson Mason

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Jewbaccah said:
I was saying that if you are saying that there is less parity in high school sports then college football. Then you have bolstered my message that the fact Mason plays in what is an objectively a weaker division with in 5A high school league, leads to the conclusion his numbers are very very inflated. That plus the guy telling us they don't run at all and we are talking Hawaii here. :popcorn:
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Something tells me that you just don't like this guy and aren't going to give him any props for playing well against mostly the best competition in Georgia.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Something tells me that you just don't like this guy and aren't going to give him any props for playing well against mostly the best competition in Georgia.
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Dude he did not play the best. He did not play the second best. He played the third best plain and simple. I just like truth. And it seems folks want to build some kind a fantasy thing out of this guy like Coleman. And Eric look back at my post and tell me I did not give him props when he did actually play some of the good talent in GA?

I said he played well that game. But they lost bad and that is the only big time team he has played really. Walton would be next but they are highly overrated as there playoff run or lack there of shows. I have been to these schools Eric. Interviewed for a job there they are the hard ones to get cuz they are a bunch of rich kids. There is no speed in his division on D to be specific. :popcorn:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Something tells me that you just don't like this guy and aren't going to give him any props for playing well against mostly the best competition in Georgia.
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Although I do not drink the Gwinnett football kool-aide, Jew has a very good point.
Bottom line, he does not have an offer for a reason.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Something tells me that you just don't like this guy and aren't going to give him any props for playing well against mostly the best competition in Georgia.
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And you seem to have a hard-on for him when he hasn't done anything to deserve anything more than a look from us. That makes much less sense IMO.

This guy has zero offers of significance. I can't believe you called Iowa a Big-10 powerhouse when we spoke earlier. They are one year removed from 6-6, two years removed from 6-7 and have ranked 63rd, 53rd, 28th and 40th the last 4 years in recruiting. That is not an impressive offer.

There is a reason that we are halfway through the recruiting year and Hutson Mason has no offers to play football at any top tier school. If we want to get to the top, we need to recruit the best. This kid is not it.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
I don't think Mason sucks. I think he could be good. He seems like a very smart QB. He used all kinds of touch throws and is accurate. Arm strenth is good enough but needs improvement. He used full mechanics on every throw and still is not ever lasering it. He is also not super fast or something. He plays against some of the weaker Ds being in East Cobb. It is a wealthy area and does not have the Super Teams. He may play one or two of the better teams in a season there. I looked at there schedule and Campbell was probably best game upcoming. I do not know enough to say if any of the schools they are playing have stud QBs or such just enough to say they are not traditional powerhouses.

To make this clear most of the state championships from Lassiter and the teams they play like Walton come from Cross Country or Golf.

So no he did not play good competition. And in the one big game they played his team got rocked in the playoffs. I will say though he played well. He just could not keep up they laid 43 I believe on his team. I will not cry if we take him but I am on the Grayson bus.
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I just wanted to point out one of my original post on the guy...does this really sound like I want to trash the kid. I am just not going to say he is or should be our guy.
 
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VolHawkFan said:
"No he shouldn't. Iowa is terrible in a very weak Big 10."

The Big 10 may or may not be 'down' the past few years, but it is simply not factual to say that Iowa is "terrible". As of now, Iowa is coming off what was by far a better year than Tennessee, including a 9-4 record, the Doak Walker award winner, a coveted head coach, five draft picks, and a New Years Day obliteration of a South Carolina squad that, as we all know, the Vols were smacked around by.

Whether or not the Vols ought to offer Mason is another issue, but to act as if Iowa is "terrible" is silly.

Right now, like it or not, Iowa is a better football team than Tennessee. Recruiting accessibility/propensity for Ferentz and Kiffin is, however, an entirely different matter altogether.
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63rd in recruiting vs. 10th. And we can go back for 4 years if you want. The Vols have a lot more talent then Iowa. We just had to get the coaches. It's funny that you are trying to compare the two though. That's cute.
 
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Again, I'll go ahead and take umbrage with the negative rhetoric toward Iowa.

While "recruiting rankings" for the Hawks have been somewhat down, it is a misnomer to use them as a judge of a program's strength. Iowa has finished in the top-25 (three times in the top 8) four out of the last seven years, sent dozens of quality players into the league (Bob Sanders, Dallas Clark, Aaron Kampman, Rob Gallery, Eric Steinbach, Chad Greenway to name just a few), competed for B10 championships, and beaten LSU, Florida, and South Carolina in bowl games.

So sure, Ferentz offering Hutson might not hold the prestige of the So Cal-OSU-Texas-Oklahoma-LSU ilk, but is certainly a solid offer and nothing to scoff at.

Certainly it could not be argued that, in 2009, a Vols team coming off a 5-7 record is somehow superior to Iowa.

I just saw this little gem: "63rd in recruiting vs. 10th. And we can go back for 4 years if you want. The Vols have a lot more talent then Iowa. We just had to get the coaches. It's funny that you are trying to compare the two though. That's cute."

Right, well thankfully (as I noted above) recruiting rankings are not, in fact, barometers of a teams *actual* success. So throwing that around is more or less irrelevant. Tennessee may or may not have more talent than Iowa, but the most recent draft outing did not bear this point out (just Ayers, right?). Iowa, meanwhile, had five solid players drafted.
 
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I am not going to argue Iowa vs. UT. But to a kid from North Ga. I would say an offer from UT is alot bigger to him than an offer from Iowa.

I don't think Mason ends up here. I don't think he would ever see the field here. There is a reason the coaches haven't offered. I wish the kid the best. Iowa seems like a good fit.

The only reason this kid is even mentioned is because we need #'s at QB are depth chart is awful right now. I do think that will be fixed in the next two classes. But Mason isn't the anwser we are looking for. I don't really care what awards the kid has won.
 
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VolHawkFan said:
Again, I'll go ahead and take umbrage with the negative rhetoric toward Iowa.

While "recruiting rankings" for the Hawks have been somewhat down, it is a misnomer to use them as a judge of a program's strength. Iowa has finished in the top-25 (three times in the top 8) four out of the last seven years, sent dozens of quality players into the league (Bob Sanders, Dallas Clark, Aaron Kampman, Rob Gallery, Eric Steinbach, Chad Greenway to name just a few), competed for B10 championships, and beaten LSU, Florida, and South Carolina in bowl games.

So sure, Ferentz offering Hutson might not hold the prestige of the So Cal-OSU-Texas-Oklahoma-LSU ilk, but is certainly a solid offer and nothing to scoff at.

Certainly it could not be argued that, in 2009, a Vols team coming off a 5-7 record is somehow superior to Iowa.

I just saw this little gem: "63rd in recruiting vs. 10th. And we can go back for 4 years if you want. The Vols have a lot more talent then Iowa. We just had to get the coaches. It's funny that you are trying to compare the two though. That's cute."

Right, well thankfully (as I noted above) recruiting rankings are not, in fact, barometers of a teams *actual* success. So throwing that around is more or less irrelevant. Tennessee may or may not have more talent than Iowa, but the most recent draft outing did not bear this point out (just Ayers, right?). Iowa, meanwhile, had five solid players drafted.
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Dude, Iowa had a good year last year. You got lucky and a 2* running back ended up turning into a stud. The years prior to that you went 6-6, 6-7 and 7-5. Since 2002 your average recruiting ranking is 40.9. Your record since then is 59-29. There is a correlation there.

If we were talking about top 20 classes, I'd agree with you that you could find some hidden gems and end up with some moderate success (in the watered down conference that is the Big-10) but we are talking about not even top 50 classes the last few years. You aren't going anywhere with that kind of talent and if you think you are you are fooling yourself. That's why Iowa is stuck with QB prospects like Hutson Mason. No one else wants to go there.
 
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Yes, I know the records. What I was initially responding to was the poster who claimed that Iowa is "terrible". I objected to this; you went on to disagree, using recruting rankings, of all things, as proof. Well, yes, you might have had a better class than Iowa last year, but your 5-7 record (and 27-6 loss to a USC team that Iowa had humiliated by halftime on New Years Day) does not indicate to me that, at this point, Tennessee is better than Iowa at football.

Any amount of rivals rankings will not change the fact that if you insist on saying that Iowa is terrible, the obvious implication is that Tennessee is even worse, somewhere between deplorable and pathetic. We know this is not true. Therefore, you stand corrected.

It is similarly false that "no one else wants to go there". Iowa would be a pretty bad program if nobody wanted to go there. In 2005 Iowa had the third or fourth best class, and almost none of those prospects turned out that well. Ferentz seems to do better with under-the-radar type guys. As we all know, recruiting stars are not the be-all-end-all.

edit: by the way, Mason is at best Iowa's fourth or fifth option at QB. So its not like Kirk and co. are beating down his door. In Iowa's system, a top notch QB is not necessary. Just someone who can make the basic throws, manage the team, and let the O-Line and halfback's do the damage.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
Are you kidding me? Gwinnett football in every classification is at the top of GA, second to only 1AAAAA
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What is your favorite flavor?
There is a High School forum if you want to bragg on the strength of GA high schools.
I was making the point about the subject of the thread.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
And you seem to have a hard-on for him when he hasn't done anything to deserve anything more than a look from us. That makes much less sense IMO.

This guy has zero offers of significance. I can't believe you called Iowa a Big-10 powerhouse when we spoke earlier. They are one year removed from 6-6, two years removed from 6-7 and have ranked 63rd, 53rd, 28th and 40th the last 4 years in recruiting. That is not an impressive offer.

There is a reason that we are halfway through the recruiting year and Hutson Mason has no offers to play football at any top tier school. If we want to get to the top, we need to recruit the best. This kid is not it.
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While I don't argue he's not the best, no one in this class is going to bring us to the promise land either. A guy who can manage the game and make smart decisions will help us win for the time being. It's going to be a couple of years before we land the big fish, IMO.

As far as Iowa being a contender, they have been better than us in the past 5-6 years and honestly I don't think that we could beat them on a neutral field. I'm not sure what happened to their team in the past few years, but it's about the same thing that's happened to us, we lost. They have also played in a BCS bowl more recently than we have, and lost to Southern Cal. I'm not going to argue that they are all world, but the offer to Iowa and if he gets one here to UT can be compared based on accomplishments by both teams in the past few years. There's not anyone on here that can say without a doubt that a UT offer and playing here is somehow better than playing there based on where we have been in the past few years.

As far as his offers, there are more than a few QB's that don't have a lot of offers because there was only a short evaluation time and we couldn't get to see everyone. Now, does that mean somehow he sucks, no. Does that mean he wasn't a priority at first, yes. We were obviously going after the more sought after guys first in the class, but our problem is the lack of a backup plan because of lack of time. We should have, and you agreed with this, offered 10 guys and said come and get it. Then if a #2 guy committed, then we tell the other #2 guys to wait and see until our Top 5 sorted themselves out, that way we can still sell recruits on who we have and not who we don't.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
While I don't argue he's not the best, no one in this class is going to bring us to the promise land either. A guy who can manage the game and make smart decisions will help us win for the time being. It's going to be a couple of years before we land the big fish, IMO.
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There is no evidence that he can even be that guy so the concept is irrelevant. You can't tell from his film if he is a good game manager who makes smart decisions.
As far as Iowa being a contender, they have been better than us in the past 5-6 years and honestly I don't think that we could beat them on a neutral field. I'm not sure what happened to their team in the past few years, but it's about the same thing that's happened to us, we lost. They have also played in a BCS bowl more recently than we have, and lost to Southern Cal. I'm not going to argue that they are all world, but the offer to Iowa and if he gets one here to UT can be compared based on accomplishments by both teams in the past few years. There's not anyone on here that can say without a doubt that a UT offer and playing here is somehow better than playing there based on where we have been in the past few years.
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There's no question that Iowa is his best offer, but to act like Iowa is some "Big-10 powerhouse" (your words - not mine) is ridiculous. To show the significance of that offer, go look at their past few classes. It's all 3* and 2* guys. There are a few 4* there but not many at all. It's not like they are recruiting the best guys in the nation and Mason fits that bill. They basically take what they can get.
As far as his offers, there are more than a few QB's that don't have a lot of offers because there was only a short evaluation time and we couldn't get to see everyone. Now, does that mean somehow he sucks, no. Does that mean he wasn't a priority at first, yes. We were obviously going after the more sought after guys first in the class, but our problem is the lack of a backup plan because of lack of time. We should have, and you agreed with this, offered 10 guys and said come and get it. Then if a #2 guy committed, then we tell the other #2 guys to wait and see until our Top 5 sorted themselves out, that way we can still sell recruits on who we have and not who we don't.
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It is certainly an indicator that he sucks. It's not like he's gone out there and proven it in camp like Rees and Rettig have. It's not like he's just not been a priority for us and other schools have offered such as it was with Andrew Hendrix for example, no one has offered and he went to camp at Georgia, NC St, North Carolina, Iowa, and ECU. He already had an Iowa offer, but has failed to earn an offer at any other school that he camped at. If that doesn't tell you something, then I can't help you.
 
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flipped through the first 10 pages and saw nothing from Sab to support my statement. i dont know why i thought that. Sab, did you ever talk this kid up before a thread was started on him?
 
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iowa did beat penn state last year, and before the season started last year i had psu picked to play bama for the NC.

one game dosent mean much though, i would say iowa is a decent team in a good confrence, but not a powerhouse.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
There is no evidence that he can even be that guy so the concept is irrelevant. You can't tell from his film if he is a good game manager who makes smart decisions.
There's no question that Iowa is his best offer, but to act like Iowa is some "Big-10 powerhouse" (your words - not mine) is ridiculous. To show the significance of that offer, go look at their past few classes. It's all 3* and 2* guys. There are a few 4* there but not many at all. It's not like they are recruiting the best guys in the nation and Mason fits that bill. They basically take what they can get.
It is certainly an indicator that he sucks. It's not like he's gone out there and proven it in camp like Rees and Rettig have. It's not like he's just not been a priority for us and other schools have offered such as it was with Andrew Hendrix for example, no one has offered and he went to camp at Georgia, NC St, North Carolina, Iowa, and ECU. He already had an Iowa offer, but has failed to earn an offer at any other school that he camped at. If that doesn't tell you something, then I can't help you.
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You act like we have done something of relevance to make an offer from us somehow more important than one from Iowa. Tell me, what have we done to cement ourselves in the past few years as someone that contends for championships and BCS bowls. Iowa has been in the same boat as us, but yet just a few years before went to a BCS bowl. So, based on your opinion and mine, an offer from us is just as irrelevant than one from Iowa, based on acheivement on the field. Heck, our offensive recruiting hasn't been good for years, minus last year.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You act like we have done something of relevance to make an offer from us somehow more important than one from Iowa. Tell me, what have we done to cement ourselves in the past few years as someone that contends for championships and BCS bowls. Iowa has been in the same boat as us, but yet just a few years before went to a BCS bowl. So, based on your opinion and mine, an offer from us is just as irrelevant than one from Iowa, based on acheivement on the field. Heck, our offensive recruiting hasn't been good for years, minus last year.
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We are 85-41 over the past 10 years. Iowa is 70-53. Look at the records. I can't believe you would be so quick to throw us under the bus or discount us as a program to make a point. I can't believe we are sitting here arguing about whether Iowa is a good program or not. Just look at the records.

And not having stellar offensive classes is a far cry from not even having top 50 classes. This is the last I'm going to say on the matter because the evidence is all there and you have to be a fool or an Iowa fan not to see it.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
We are 85-41 over the past 10 years. Iowa is 70-53. Look at the records. I can't believe you would be so quick to throw us under the bus or discount us as a program to make a point. I can't believe we are sitting here arguing about whether Iowa is a good program or not. Just look at the records.

And not having stellar offensive classes is a far cry from not even having top 50 classes. This is the last I'm going to say on the matter because the evidence is all there and you have to be a fool or an Iowa fan not to see it.
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Yeah, our stellar classes have really lead us to the promise land in the past few years. At least Iowa got to play in a bowl last year, and beat a team that made us look bad.
 
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