11/8 - Never forget

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#101
whobethis16 said:
Losing twice (though, the 2007 UF team was lightyears better than the 2023 one), begging Florida to lose 3 times, needing to win out, etc? Yeah, it's the same situation. You want to split hairs because of point differential, fine, but it's the same situation.
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I'm not sure the 2007 team is better than this one. UF was a hell of a lot better in 2007
 
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whobethis16 said:
Losing twice (though, the 2007 UF team was lightyears better than the 2023 one), begging Florida to lose 3 times, needing to win out, etc? Yeah, it's the same situation. You want to split hairs because of point differential, fine, but it's the same situation.
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A lot more than splitting hairs
 
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Evol said:
Yes! He should definitely have been fired after winning 10 games and going to the SECCG in 2007! Started the season ranked 18th in 2008. Why didn’t we fire him right then?!?!
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Fulmer should have been tossed in 2005 with a losing conference and season record, not bowl eligible, but Cutcliff said he would come back, which got Fulmer through 2006 and 2007, for what, the predictable collapse and failure in 2008 with no Cutcliff, which highly resembled 2005, Fulmer felt entitled to that job and he ran the program into the ground in 2008, after a myriad of embarrassing losses since 2005 to Florida, Alabama and Georgia, got beat by 38 in Gainesville 2007, came back felt entitled to the athletic director's job 20 years after winning a national championship, hired a bigger buffoon than himself to coach the team, football program was the laughing stock of the conference and the power 5 conferences, ended up in front of the NCAA committee on infractions, paid $8 million fine to the NCAA, all avoidable had the curtain been pulled when the indications were there that the show was over.
 
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utvolpj said:
We were not competitive in either game that year. That Bama team also lost to ULM at home. They were much worse than this year. We accepted the seccg but very few believed we won the east
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Let's see here: Florida 2007: were down 1 score midway through the 3rd; Florida 2023: no closer than 2 scores midway through the 2nd. So, while 2007 ended up being further apart, 2023 was in a 2-score hole much earlier. Alabama 2007: had a lead early in the 2nd and were only down 1 score at the half; Alabama 2023: had the lead at the half and it was gone late in the 3rd, both games were scoreless in the 2nd half. Pretty identical, except the thinking that there's a really much difference other than final score. I'd say they were pretty comparable in "competitiveness", but this year had more epic collapses than 2007 given Florida in 2007 was exponentially better then and didn't choke away a large lead.
 
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I know it’s bad to get beat by teams that should have no business beating you, but it’s almost as bad as when simply decent teams embarrass you. For example, in 2010 - Oregon 48 TN 13, and in 2013 - Oregon 59 TN 14. Normally, Oregon, or any PAC 12 team for that matter, would have those scores reversed when they played us.
 
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gnm53108 said:
To me it was 96 memphis. How in the heck do you let a bad memphis team stop you from getting a chance at a nc?
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Amen. I was at that one. How can Memphis hold UT practically scoreless (relatively speaking) with
Peyton at qb? Of course they did get the bad officiating even back then when the Memphis player
rolled over on his elbow and ran all the way to the end zone for a back breaking score.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Let's see here: Florida 2007: were down 1 score midway through the 3rd; Florida 2023: no closer than 2 scores midway through the 2nd. So, while 2007 ended up being further apart, 2023 was in a 2-score hole much earlier. Alabama 2007: had a lead early in the 2nd and were only down 1 score at the half; Alabama 2023: had the lead at the half and it was gone late in the 3rd, both games were scoreless in the 2nd half. Pretty identical, except the thinking that there's a really much difference other than final score. I'd say they were pretty comparable in "competitiveness", but this year had more epic collapses than 2007 given Florida in 2007 was exponentially better then and didn't choke away a large lead.
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If you watched that UF game in 07 it wasn't really close. There were way more chances this year if we had a competent offense. The 07 Bama team lost to ULM at home. They were fighting for bowl eligibility not the playoffs.
 
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Tman44 said:
I place 100% of the blame for sinking Tennessee football on Mike Hamilton. Fulmer gets a six year contract extension. David Cutcliffe leaves for the Duke job. Phil hires Dave Clawson as OC and he can't get it going with Jonathan Crompton. So fire the guy that just took you to the SEC championship game the year before? Moron. And oh yea, now Dave Clawson is having great success. I guess Phil could identify talented coaches after all.
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He (Fulmer) just couldn’t let him (Clawson) do his job.
 
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TartanTurff said:
In my opinion, Fulmer and Hamilton should have been gone before the 2008 season even began, just a wholesale absence of leadership at that critical point in time and regrettably, it didn't improve very much over the next 10 years, the university and the athletic department embarked on a piss poor hiring spree, signing long term very expensive contracts to those individuals least suited to carrying out those functions, aight
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Just go away. Maybe you should keep your stupid opinion to yourself. Disgraceful
 
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utvolpj said:
If you watched that UF game in 07 it wasn't really close. There were way more chances this year if we had a competent offense. The 07 Bama team lost to ULM at home. They were fighting for bowl eligibility not the playoffs.
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And if you watched this year, it wasn't either, because the defense failed more miserably than the offense. Plus, this Florida team is also fighting for bowl eligibility because they are staring down the barrel of 5 straight Ls to end the season at 5-7. There is a lot more parallels to the 2 seasons than you're willing to admit. Whether it's bitterness about Fulmer, the orange-colored glasses, the garbage years making this one look much better than it is, I dunno. But at the end of the day, both teams were/are begging for Florida to lose 3 games, but took care of business down the stretch to get to Atlanta. If this team makes it to Atlanta with a 6-2 SEC record, and you claim them as winning the East, but don't for 2007, then it's clearly just a hatred for the man in charge, because it's the same situation: lost to Florida (who was good then), Bama (who was not) just like this year lost to Florida who is not and Bama who is.
 
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whobethis16 said:
And if you watched this year, it wasn't either, because the defense failed more miserably than the offense. Plus, this Florida team is also fighting for bowl eligibility because they are staring down the barrel of 5 straight Ls to end the season at 5-7. There is a lot more parallels to the 2 seasons than you're willing to admit. Whether it's bitterness about Fulmer, the orange-colored glasses, the garbage years making this one look much better than it is, I dunno. But at the end of the day, both teams were/are begging for Florida to lose 3 games, but took care of business down the stretch to get to Atlanta. If this team makes it to Atlanta with a 6-2 SEC record, and you claim them as winning the East, but don't for 2007, then it's clearly just a hatred for the man in charge, because it's the same situation: lost to Florida (who was good then), Bama (who was not) just like this year lost to Florida who is not and Bama who is.
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Ut was in the UF game in the 4th this season

Very few people are discussing UT winning the east this season. 07 team got a very favorable draw vs the west. We didn't win it as much as they lost it. UF was average that season but 39pts better than UT. Bama was in way worse shape than uf is now


Where have I ever said UT didn't rep the east in 07? You're creating your own narrative now. Yes, Fulmer won the NC but he also took down UT football twice and got paid very handsomely for it. He should have been run in 05. If he's never allowed around the program again it will be too soon
 
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Losing to Memphis is up there for me. Also losing to Florida one year ( can't remember the year--- but Spurrier era ) but we were ahead with less than 2 minutes left and our secondary guy just watches a Florida receiver catch and score to get back the lead. Didn't even attempt to defend . It's the first time I ever considered that players may be tanking a game for $$$
To put things in perspective, almost every school has a major upset or 2 they grieve over. I remember Michigan losing to App St some years ago, LSU losing to Troy.
 
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utvolpj said:
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If you can't remember the dark days you won't enjoy the good times as much
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False, Incan enjoy the good times without remembering this tragedy
 
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volfeeva said:
Losing to Memphis is up there for me. Also losing to Florida one year ( can't remember the year--- but Spurrier era ) but we were ahead with less than 2 minutes left and our secondary guy just watches a Florida receiver catch and score to get back the lead. Didn't even attempt to defend . It's the first time I ever considered that players may be tanking a game for $$$
To put things in perspective, almost every school has a major upset or 2 they grieve over. I remember Michigan losing to App St some years ago, LSU losing to Troy.
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There weren't any games in the Spurrier era like that
 
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hog88 said:
December 8, 2001 was another dark day.
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This was the darkest day .... and I would put Memphis from 1996 #2 and Alabama from 1990 #3.

I was actually glad they lost to Wyoming. If they had won out, they would have been bowl eligible and that would have led to a month long Fulmer Farewell Tour at either the Music City Bowl or Liberty Bowl.

Who needed that?
 
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#122
gnm53108 said:
To me it was 96 memphis. How in the heck do you let a bad memphis team stop you from getting a chance at a nc?
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+1

This was by far a worse loss than Wyoming. It was a good season that could have been great. On my birthday no less! Wyoming was just a nail in the coffin.
 
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