120k a year isn’t enough

#76
#76
VolStrom said:
My company implemented a 64 hour rule after several fatalities, but only for hourly employees. People like me were welcome to work 100 hours a week when needed.
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One of the benefits of being hourly I suppose. I'm thankful for businesses that employ people, but don't get the way people feel sorry for them for having to pay skilled labor in order to make money. The vast majority of businesses in this country are so poorly ran because management is so stupid. Take some time off when you can and enjoy your life.
 
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VolStrom said:
I've heard these "stats" from my own employer when they were trying to discredit union employees. First, anyone making $30/hour isn't making $120k a year without working a bunch of overtime. Secondly, the company is probably including their inflated cost of benefits in that number. If Kellogg's doesn't want to pay any more money, let them move their plant to China and make their cereal there. Unions don't usually go on strike for no reason.
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Beat me to it. $30 dollars an hours grosses just under $63K a year. With free comprehensive medical, the companies value of that job would be in that $120K range. Heck, back in the mid 2000's at my old textile company, total fringe was around 48% of pay. Basically meaning a $50K gross paycheck job was worth about $75K to both you and the employer.
 
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McDad said:
Your math is wrong.
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At $30 base, and $45 time and a half they would max out at 65 hours a week to hit $120K. And prob not that much because the union will have them earning double time on holidays and Sundays. Sometimes triple depending on the company and the contract. Still no life, and not safe.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
At 14 mos and counting before pulling the ejection handle they’re struggling to get an honest 40 out of me. When I come back from holiday leave in January I’m not even sure I know yet how deep I’ll be in F U mode.
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You need to retire early and come back as a contractor charging them $100 per hour. Then we can start a thread hating on you for charging your poor company that much for your services.
 
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tnmarktx said:
You need to retire early and come back as a contractor charging them $100 per hour. Then we can start a thread hating on you for charging your poor company that much for your services.
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My company has asked me to come back numerous times since I retired and my response has always been the same: If I needed the money I wouldn't have retired.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
At 14 mos and counting before pulling the ejection handle they’re struggling to get an honest 40 out of me. When I come back from holiday leave in January I’m not even sure I know yet how deep I’ll be in F U mode.
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Are there any Engineers in any field who still enjoy the work after 3 or 4 decades?
 
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GVF said:
At $30 base, and $45 time and a half they would max out at 65 hours a week to hit $120K. And prob not that much because the union will have them earning double time on holidays and Sundays. Sometimes triple depending on the company and the contract. Still no life, and not safe.
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I don't disagree. I am using the union rep's parameters.
 
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#83
tnmarktx said:
One of the benefits of being hourly I suppose. I'm thankful for businesses that employ people, but don't get the way people feel sorry for them for having to pay skilled labor in order to make money.
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Has someone argued the opposite?
 
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tnmarktx said:
You need to retire early and come back as a contractor charging them $100 per hour. Then we can start a thread hating on you for charging your poor company that much for your services.
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Gonna take a lot more than $100 an hour to even get me to sniff at it 😬
 
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McDad said:
Are there any Engineers in any field who still enjoy the work after 3 or 4 decades?
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I thoroughly enjoy mentoring younger engineers. It is the most satisfying thing I’ve done in recent times and 2nd on the all time list. I’ll bend over backwards to teach them. You see while it bores the **** out of me I see in their eyes the enthusiasm I once had and I get to live vicariously through them for a bit as they discover new skills.

The managers and company as a whole can piss off however.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I thoroughly enjoy mentoring younger engineers. It is the most satisfying thing I’ve done in recent times and 2nd on the all time list. I’ll bend over backwards to teach them. You see while it bores the **** out of me I see in their eyes the enthusiasm I once had and I get to live vicariously through them for a bit as they discover new skills.

The managers and company as a whole can piss off however.
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Lol.

Are the managers typically engineers?
 
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McDad said:
Lol.

Are the managers typically engineers?
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Most technical managers started in engineering because frankly they wouldn’t garner any respect without a technical degree. They at least need to be able to speak the lingo.

And I won’t go into the bad engineers go into management. It’s a whole different skill set. One I don’t have and I would suck as a manager. I enjoy working for managers that respect my skills and garner my respect of their skills. At the end of the day we both want the same thing. We just both contribute in different ways and need to play to each other’s strengths.
 
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I am amazed at the number of grown adults who count their commute as part of their work load. It's a staggering percentage of people in my experience.
 
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AshG said:
What about countries such as Germany, where the culture is highly collaborative and management expects and respects input from a committee comprised of workers?
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You don’t need a Union to collaborate with the Floor.
 
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