13' PF Johnathan Williams III

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Clark W. Griswold said:
I don't think he's being recruited over. I think it's just CCM recruiting the best guys he can get to fill his 'ships. If you notice, most of the guys he is recruiting or has recruited are the versatile types that can play numerous positions. JRich, Edwards, Reese, J3, Nichols, Davis; all those guys can play 2 or 3 positions each. CCM wants to be flexible it appears.
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If we are recruiting guys like JW3 at the 3 and Hubbs at the 2, then yes, he's being recruited over.
 
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Clark W. Griswold said:
JRich started over McRae some last year too. I personally think McRae is most effective as a 6th man.
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You're right he did, but that was mcraes own fault. If McRae has those lapses this year Edwards will take his spot.

Like I said, Richardsons minutes will go down from last year, not up, and that's not a good thing for him.

He very likely will remain, will probably be reese or Q that leaves...however...if Richardsons minutes go down this year and he plays behind McRae and Edwards, what makes you think when we add 2-4 highly ranked wings PLUS bring back the guys Richardson couldn't beat out...that he is all of a sudden going to beat them out?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Except for the fact that it's possible we are adding one more than we have scholarship for, so he's recruiting over someone. Also, we lose 1 guard and 3 posts, yet are bringing in possibly 4 wings and a PG...what does that tell you?
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Telling me that's the way the game is starting to be played. Not a lot of real centers any more. Better to be flexible in your lineup. He's only recruiting over because of who's available. It could also mean he thinks there is a good chance Stokes goes pro after this year. If anyone might leave, I think it will be Chevious, if the reports are true of him not having much interaction with his teammates.

Anyway, its a good problem to have!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're right he did, but that was mcraes own fault. If McRae has those lapses this year Edwards will take his spot.

Like I said, Richardsons minutes will go down from last year, not up, and that's not a good thing for him.

He very likely will remain, will probably be reese or Q that leaves...however...if Richardsons minutes go down this year and he plays behind McRae and Edwards, what makes you think when we add 2-4 highly ranked wings PLUS bring back the guys Richardson couldn't beat out...that he is all of a sudden going to beat them out?
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I disagree. I see his minutes going up. I see Edwards getting a lot of his time at the 4 as well as the 3.
 
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Clark W. Griswold said:
I disagree. I see his minutes going up. I see Edwards getting a lot of his time at the 4 as well as the 3.
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You see Edwards playing the 4 this year? Over maymon and stokes? What?

We can revisit this half way through the year, but I'm very confident Richardson minutes are going down this year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You see Edwards playing the 4 this year? Over maymon and stokes? What?

We can revisit this half way through the year, but I'm very confident Richardson minutes are going down this year.
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Maymon and Stokes will be starting. I think Edwards and Yemi will spell them. One, Miller I have no confidence in. Two, I just don't think Hall can go all year without getting in the doghouse yet again.

And I'm very confident his minutes increase =)
 
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Clark W. Griswold said:
Maymon and Stokes will be starting. I think Edwards and Yemi will spell them. One, Miller I have no confidence in. Two, I just don't think Hall can go all year without getting in the doghouse yet again.

And I'm very confident his minutes increase =)
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There's 80 minutes in the post, 30 for maymon and stokes...tHat leaves 20 for for yemi and Kenny.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I can buy that, maybe it's the orange glasses, but hey no shame. I will say, if CCM pulls both, you're gonna have people all over the country wide eyed and a bit nervous....none more nervous that pasty in Memphis.
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Why does it always come back to Pastner and Memphis with you guys? Have you seen the way Memphis' class is shaping up? We'll be a top 5 class almost gauranteed.
 
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I'm with Chevy Chase on this one. A Junior Richardson sees the floor, unless he has some sort of meltdown. I'm sure JW3 will be good in time. But you have to look at him for what he is: a talented kid with potential that's never played this brand of basketball. His recruiting rankings are in the 30-50 range, which is great for the kid, but it usually means that players in that range won't come in and dominate right away. Jordan McRae had the exact same rivals ranking coming out of high school as JW3, and we've all seen the acclimation period that McRae's taken. That's just an example using one player, but in most situations, I think you have to give a Junior with 2-3 meaningful years in a program the benefit of a doubt over an 18 year old kid that history says will have a learning curve to combat. It's not like Richardson was minced meat coming out of high school. He had a top 150 ranking beside his name too. You have a very talented kid with no college ball experience and put him up against a slightly less talented kid with 2+ years of quality experience, I'd take the second option if I had to bet on it. It's all very subjective at this point anyway, but my point is that I still expect Richardson to see meaningful minutes even if his direct competition is JW3 (that's not to say that JW3 won't also see meaningful minutes). Richardson is fundamentally sound and CCM trusts him when he's on the floor. Cuonzo won't have that same trust in a true Freshman with that relative skill level right off the bat.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Why does it always come back to Pastner and Memphis with you guys? Have you seen the way Memphis' class is shaping up? We'll be a top 5 class almost gauranteed.
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And that's fine...

But pastner has tried his damnedest for Nichols, tried to get back into it with hubbs, and has spent years on J3 making him a priority.

If he misses on all 3 that's trouble enough, but if he misses them and they go to Tennessee, that's really trouble.
 
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MannyD said:
I'm with Chevy Chase on this one. A Junior Richardson sees the floor, unless he has some sort of meltdown. I'm sure JW3 will be good in time. But you have to look at him for what he is: a talented kid with potential that's never played this brand of basketball. His recruiting rankings are in the 30-50 range, which is great for the kid, but it usually means that players in that range won't come in and dominate right away. Jordan McRae had the exact same rivals ranking coming out of high school as JW3, and we've all seen the acclimation period that McRae's taken. That's just an example using one player, but in most situations, I think you have to give a Junior with 2-3 meaningful years in a program the benefit of a doubt over an 18 year old kid that history says will have a learning curve to combat. It's not like Richardson was minced meat coming out of high school. He had a top 150 ranking beside his name too. You have a very talented kid with no college ball experience and put him up against a slightly less talented kid with 2+ years of quality experience, I'd take the second option if I had to bet on it. It's all very subjective at this point anyway, but my point is that I still expect Richardson to see meaningful minutes even if his direct competition is JW3 (that's not to say that JW3 won't also see meaningful minutes). Richardson is fundamentally sound and CCM trusts him when he's on the floor. Cuonzo won't have that same trust in a true Freshman with that relative skill level right off the bat.
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While I get what you're saying, my statement about Richardson not seeing minutes isn't solely based on j3.

Hubbs will start at the 2, I feel confident in saying that. So that leaves McRae and Edwards both at the 3, I don't see Richardson beating those guys out for minutes at the 3, Edwards and McRae will both be seniors.

J3 has the ability to play the four, this will give him an advantage over Richardson to see minutes his freshman year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
While I get what you're saying, my statement about Richardson not seeing minutes isn't solely based on j3.

Hubbs will start at the 2, I feel confident in saying that. So that leaves McRae and Edwards both at the 3, I don't see Richardson beating those guys out for minutes at the 3, Edwards and McRae will both be seniors.

J3 has the ability to play the four, this will give him an advantage over Richardson to see minutes his freshman year.
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Agree with you there.

I think kids in the 30-50 recruiting rankings range are an interesting case study. You usually get guys that are very athletic without a lot of relative skill. Skill development becomes very important. You can either improve your skillset and become a really good college player, or remain stagnant and continue to depend on your athleticism to get you by.
 
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I've always thought for us to be successful and rise back to the top of the SEC, then CCM will have to get better players. That means his first couple recruiting classes will have to be recruited over. Richardson, Q, Yemi, etc... can be good role players and possibly come off the bench for value, but I personally would like to see those positions upgraded with better talent.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And that's fine...

But pastner has tried his damnedest for Nichols, tried to get back into it with hubbs, and has spent years on J3 making him a priority.

If he misses on all 3 that's trouble enough, but if he misses them and they go to Tennessee, that's really trouble.
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What? Why? We can only sign 5 or 6 players in our class, we were bound to miss on quite a few players.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
What? Why? We can only sign 5 or 6 players in our class, we were bound to miss on quite a few players.
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And you said awhile back You'd get atleast 2 of the Memphis guys, pastner will only get 1, and it's not because he wasn't trying.(you didn't count Crawford)

I know you won't admit it, but I can assure you Martin pulling 2 Memphis boys Pastner wanted, and a west Tennessee boy who's the highest rated player in the state doesn't sit well with Pastner. once again, I don't expect you to admit it, but landing these guys just increases CCM's presence in Memphis which isn't something Pastner wants.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And you said awhile back You'd get atleast 2 of the Memphis guys, pastner will only get 1, and it's not because he wasn't trying.(you didn't count Crawford)

I know you won't admit it, but I can assure you Martin pulling 2 Memphis boys Pastner wanted, and a west Tennessee boy who's the highest rated player in the state doesn't sit well with Pastner. once again, I don't expect you to admit it, but landing these guys just increases CCM's presence in Memphis which isn't something Pastner wants.
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No, YOU claimed that Martin would get more of the "Big 3 Memphis Recruits" than Pastner would, those recruits being King, Nichols and J3. I disagreed that Martin would get more. It looks like I'm going to be correct.

Martin has a presence in Memphis, and Memphis DID want Hubbs and Nichols. But, despite losing out on those guys, Memphis will still sign 6 top 100 recruits potentially, and at least 5, including our priority no. 1 recruit in King.

I don't see what Pastner has to be nervous about. He's landing a top 5 recruiting class, without having to rely purely on Memphis talent.

EDIT: I don't think our discussion of the Memphis three involved Hubbs, but I can't be sure. Even if it did, my point about Memphis' class holds true.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Let me just have some fun for a minute...

Say we land the trifecta and add Nichols and J3 to Hubbs...this could be next years rotation!

PG: Golden/ Moore
SG: Hubbs/ Mcrae
SF: McRae/ J3/ Edwards
F: Nichols/ J3
F: Stokes/ Yemi


Oh my!!!
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Why does everyone forget about Maymon? He is an integral part of the lineup.
 
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Why are we discussing J. Pastners recruiting abilities? That's not his problem. He will generally be able to staff a talented team just from city of Memphis recruits that fall in his lap. As I have said all along I do not want to get to thick in recruiting the Memphis kids...You have to be VERY selective about the type of kid you take in your program and just not sure hanging out in Memphis every year is that fruitful...now I think this year may be a little different with several HIGH QUALITY PEOPLE coming out of Memphis....but you can get burned often if you're not careful...
 
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