'14 FL LB Dillon Bates (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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white65 said:
I think he will just miss out, the top ranked players must get alot of hype. ESPN flat out refused to talk about the #2. ranked class on their site all day. It's not to crazy to compare our class to ole miss from last year, but the difference to me is ole miss had 3 top prospects that made their class.

It's hard to find a LB with the speed Dillon has, that's why I think he could be a 5*, but I know he wasn't hyped up at all by espn so I think he stays a 4*
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We will have top freshmen next year that rivals will completely miss. You never know, Gavin Bryant could start on the outside for all we know.
 
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UTProf said:
Question about the ESPN Bates/Herm comment... can someone enlighten me? I don't watch pro ball so I don't know what it refers to. I tried to google but came up empty handed about what it refers to/means.
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Interested too...anyone know the answer?
 
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white65 said:
I think he will just miss out, the top ranked players must get alot of hype. ESPN flat out refused to talk about the #2. ranked class on their site all day. It's not to crazy to compare our class to ole miss from last year, but the difference to me is ole miss had 3 top prospects that made their class.

It's hard to find a LB with the speed Dillon has, that's why I think he could be a 5*, but I know he wasn't hyped up at all by espn so I think he stays a 4*
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Yep, ESPN totally ignored us while flashing up the team rankings several times. The love fest with Bama was humorous IMO.

Just extra motivation for Butch and these kids. Can't emphasize enough what an outstanding job CBJ and staff have done. We will be back!! GBO.
 
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The thing that pissed me off the most was when the announcer who really wasn't too biased, brought up Tennessee and the "Analyst" just ignored him.
 
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What was Fort talking about Bama talk with Bates that bates said is hilarious? Was some douche on VQ trying to start a baseless rumor?
 
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SIAP-

Team Nitro top performers

1. lorenzo carter de
2. chad thomas de
3. alvin cook rb
4. jeff jones rb

5. Dillon Bates
Continuing with his great play from the week of practice, Bates was very solid. The Tennessee commit had four tackle and one for a loss in a key situation when team Highlight was driving. Bates' football IQ really served him well as he always seemed to be in position to make a play on the ball. Bates may be a little undersized but it clearly didn't make a difference as he was able to fight through blocks and made a nice tackle for a loss.

-Rivals
 
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I saw Lorenzo Carter three times and these guys must be seeing something diff. I saw a kid with big potential but he's weak and he gets pushed around a lot. He needs about 30lbs if he's gonna play on the d line. Seems overrated.
 
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6. LB Dillon Bates, Ponte Vedra (Fla.) Ponte Vedra
Bates was inconsistent at the last national event he attended, so it was nice to see him back to his old self in Florida. He was the most active linebacker on Team Nitro all week and was especially solid in coverage. Bates will only improve as he adds weight. As of now, though, he is better in coverage than he is against the run.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
I saw Lorenzo Carter three times and these guys must be seeing something diff. I saw a kid with big potential but he's weak and he gets pushed around a lot. He needs about 30lbs if he's gonna play on the d line. Seems overrated.
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Lorenzo Carter is fast, and if he can beat you around the edge, it's over. If the OL gets his hands on him, he's beat.

He sorta reminds me of the DE from Oklahoma last night in that regard. He needs to gain some weight, and he needs to work on a spin move and a bull rush to go with his speed game. He got beat a lot this week, but, he also made a lot of plays
 
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Kipp Adams said Carter's fumble recovery was the best thing he had done all week.

He's all speed at this point. Lacks upper body strength. Ultimately, I think UGA lands him. He truly needs a RS year.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
Kipp Adams said Carter's fumble recovery was the best thing he had done all week.

He's all speed at this point. Lacks upper body strength. Ultimately, I think UGA lands him. He truly needs a RS year.
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Agreed completely, and I'm torn. I want him to go to Georgia because he has bust written all over him. However, I don't want him to go to Georgia because if he ever puts it all together with his ability, he could be an All American and a very high draft pick
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
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6. LB Dillon Bates, Ponte Vedra (Fla.) Ponte Vedra
Bates was inconsistent at the last national event he attended, so it was nice to see him back to his old self in Florida. He was the most active linebacker on Team Nitro all week and was especially solid in coverage. Bates will only improve as he adds weight. As of now, though, he is better in coverage than he is against the run.
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Laughable! He looked pretty good against the run, too. Made a big tackle on Rock for about a 3-4 yard loss. Had another good hit against Fournette. He got juked on the 4th and short in 1st half, but I think he was trying to make a play to stop the conversion, as well as not lose the edge. Nice to see for a change considering how horrible we have been at setting the edge the last 4 years. For the limited snaps he saw, I thought he looked good. Also, was it me, or was the "1st string" defense the unit that mainly was scored on?
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
I saw Lorenzo Carter three times and these guys must be seeing something diff. I saw a kid with big potential but he's weak and he gets pushed around a lot. He needs about 30lbs if he's gonna play on the d line. Seems overrated.
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Yeah I'm not sure how he was the top performer...outside of continuing to hype the guys they think have the most potential going forward.
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
Laughable! He looked pretty good against the run, too. Made a big tackle on Rock for about a 3-4 yard loss. Had another good hit against Fournette. He got juked on the 4th and short in 1st half, but I think he was trying to make a play to stop the conversion, as well as not lose the edge. Nice to see for a change considering how horrible we have been at setting the edge the last 4 years. For the limited snaps he saw, I thought he looked good. Also, was it me, or was the "1st string" defense the unit that mainly was scored on?
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In any situation like this it's hard for LB's to stand out. And Bates stood out to me, more than the other LB's. Yes, he's a little small standing next to some of those massive LBers, but he was much faster, and played smarter.

And with all the HUNH offenses popping up, I'd prefer a lighter, quicker LB anyway
 
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The amount of love Carter gets in comparison to Bates from the services baffles me when any of the "deficiencies" Bates has are more pronounced in Carter's game. It may sound ridiculous to say this about a top 100 guy, but I really think Bates is under rated. He has all the potential to be an early impact guy, as well as having sky is the limit long-term potential. I honestly wouldn't trade Bates for another OLB in this class.
 
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Diceman said:
The amount of love Carter gets in comparison to Bates from the services baffles me when any of the "deficiencies" Bates has are more pronounced in Carter's game. It may sound ridiculous to say this about a top 100 guy, but I really think Bates is under rated. He has all the potential to be an early impact guy, as well as having sky is the limit long-term potential. I honestly wouldn't trade Bates for another OLB in this class.
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The difference in Bates and Carter is physical. Carter looks the part of a big time DE, he has the measureables, he has the speed, he just doesn't have the talent and mental edge that goes with it.

Bates on the other hand is a LBer in a Strong Safety's body right now. He needs to add some weight. However, he has been coached up, had trainers, and knows the game better than most other players.

If you could combine Carter's physical stats with Bates' mental ability and work ethic, you'd have the #1 rated player in this class, #1 overall draft pick, and a Hall of Famer.

Bates will be good, great even. But, he's not physically imposing yet. Wait till he gets in our S&C program, he'll be awesome.
 
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UTProf said:
His lower body is definitely there. Look at those legs, even calves, compared to others. His upper body (chest mostly) is where the lighter weight is but that should be easy since all he needs to do is concentrate on a particular set of muscles to grow/add weight. Still he's got to be strong as an ox even without the extra weight there cuz he is a beast.

No homo of course.
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UT_Tix79 said:
The difference in Bates and Carter is physical. Carter looks the part of a big time DE, he has the measureables, he has the speed, he just doesn't have the talent and mental edge that goes with it.

Bates on the other hand is a LBer in a Strong Safety's body right now. He needs to add some weight. However, he has been coached up, had trainers, and knows the game better than most other players.

If you could combine Carter's physical stats with Bates' mental ability and work ethic, you'd have the #1 rated player in this class, #1 overall draft pick, and a Hall of Famer.

Bates will be good, great even. But, he's not physically imposing yet. Wait till he gets in our S&C program, he'll be awesome.
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I don't think carter is that imposing either. Sure he's tall but 225-230lbs is not gonna get it done at 6'5 playing SDE in the SEC. He needs serious mass. He needs to add more mass than bates to be able to play his position. Bates needs 12-15lbs and Carter needs about 30-35. Lorenzo needs a RS.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
I don't think carter is that imposing either. Sure he's tall but 225-230lbs is not gonna get it done at 6'5 playing SDE in the SEC. He needs serious mass. He needs to add more mass than bates to be able to play his position. Bates needs 12-15lbs and Carter needs about 30-35. Lorenzo needs a RS.
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I understood 79s post, and think it's fair to consider, but this is exactly what I think, and was the point of my post. I think Bates is much closer to being, and has an easier road to becoming, an elite player at the next level.
 
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Bates looks fine to me. He plays big and that is better than looking big. See Jacques Smith for example.

Bates cracked both Fortunette and Roc one 3 of the tackles and he came in hitting with some purpose. He will make an immediate impact if not start.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Bates looks fine to me. He plays big and that is better than looking big. See Jacques Smith for example.

Bates cracked both Fortunette and Roc one 3 of the tackles and he came in hitting with some purpose. He will make an immediate impact if not start.
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I agree, Bates will be good, but it's because he understands the game more than the others. He is not a physical specimen, he's just more cerebral than the others.

He's had coaching all his life, trainers, and years of football study and experience of his father.

He can read an offense, and puts himself in position to make plays. The ranking system wants LBers to be 6'4 245 lb coming out of high school, which is quite rare. and usually they are too slow in coverage if they are that big.

I'll take Bates over any other LB in the country, regardless of stars
 
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