'14 GA RB Treyvon Paulk (UT Signee 2/5/14)

[RiseToTheTop]

CBJ recruit not the previous staff

what you heard on Treyvon?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

He said that a good while ago as I recall and he said the reason was that Adidas was willing to pay us as a top five school and Nike wasn't. Obviously something changed.

I think Deerpark has proven to be mostly right and so I tend to believe him. You may not and that's fine too.

Didn't UT turn down more money from Adidas to sign with Nike? I thought I read that.

 

[Serenadium51]

Everyone is mostly speculating. Isn't that what we do here? Until facts are released its all we have.

I tend to believe Deerpark. If his version is true and Paulk punched her in the face and teammates had to pull him off of her, I'd prefer his second chance be elsewhere. Butch has things rolling, no need for unwarranted scrutiny and criticism that he reinstated Paulk simply because of a need at the position.

Jmo.

Everyone speculates, sure. That doesn't mean our speculation lines up with what actually happened. Deerpark is a good poster but he's been wrong on things. He was adamant that we were never going to Nike. He's had some good info in the past but in the end, he's a poster on a message board, not really a reliable source. The problem is people taking message board posts and running with it like it's 100% truth. We don't really know what happened, it's best to let Jones take care of it because I seriously doubt he would take him back if it meant disrupting the chemistry of the team.


Its like the Preston Williams situation, we don't really know if he was asked to leave for smoking weed. It was a rumor. If Butch thought he was gonna be a problem, he probably would've dropped him. Jones is the one who speaks to him daily.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Leb's arguments remind me of a kid tattling on other kids at school.

They had better stay in line. I wasn't named hall monitor of the month 5 times for nothing.

"Now where is YOUR pass Mr. Wise Crack". LMAO

 

[de1conley]

OK 1. CBJ found out after the fact that Paulk never hit the female and it was a lie. 2. I was told by 2 different coaches Paulk would be reinstated 3. I was told a decision would be announced sometime after signing day because of Sapp and Paulk relationship to one another. So I say all that to say it's a 50/50 situation in my eyes, but Paulk did absolutely nothing in this series of events.

 

[Fingers]

Butch DID NOT pass judgement. He suspended the kid pending the outcome. He did this out of caution and because of the domestic violence issues from athletes were prominent in the news. Unlike other coaches (Jimbo Fisher), Butch chose to suspend him until it was determined that he was wrong. He did the same thing with AJ.

Oh, and by the way, thanks for making my point for me. :thumbsup:

No disrespect but has this been reported or is this speculation? He suspended the kid pending the outcome? I assumed Butch would have talked to Paulk and the other witnesses and make his decision based on that. If reports of all the other players there were true, I would imagine he talked to each of them privately and got a pretty good idea of the exact details.

Do you know he did this out of caution, because of other domestic violence issues or is that also speculation? Alternatively, do we know for a fact that Paulk, under pressure from Butch and witnesses, didn't admit guilt to Jones?

No offense to anyone here but it seems that many are accusing others of speculating while speculating themselves. And yeah, I'm speculating.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

OK 1. CBJ found out after the fact that Paulk never hit the female and it was a lie. 2. I was told by 2 different coaches Paulk would be reinstated 3. I was told a decision would be announced sometime after signing day because of Sapp and Paulk relationship to one another. So I say all that to say it's a 50/50 situation in my eyes, but Paulk did absolutely nothing in this series of events.

One would think IF the kid didn't do it, he would be reinstated immediately. Seems odd to punish a kid and wait to publicly clear the air if he didn't do it. Jmo

Why not in Sept? Oct? Nov?

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

OK 1. CBJ found out after the fact that Paulk never hit the female and it was a lie. 2. I was told by 2 different coaches Paulk would be reinstated 3. I was told a decision would be announced sometime after signing day because of Sapp and Paulk relationship to one another. So I say all that to say it's a 50/50 situation in my eyes, but Paulk did absolutely nothing in this series of events.

Now apologize Leb

 

[Fingers]

Everyone speculates, sure. That doesn't mean our speculation lines up with what actually happened. Deerpark is a good poster but he's been wrong on things. He was adamant that we were never going to Nike. He's had some good info in the past but in the end, he's a poster on a message board, not really a reliable source. The problem is people taking message board posts and running with it like it's 100% truth. We don't really know what happened, it's best to let Jones take care of it because I seriously doubt he would take him back if it meant disrupting the chemistry of the team.


Its like the Preston Williams situation, we don't really know if he was asked to leave for smoking weed. It was a rumor. If Butch thought he was gonna be a problem, he probably would've dropped him. Jones is the one who speaks to him daily.

Agreed on most. It just seems that the people are using the "we don't know" argument to automatically presume innocence. That's not fair.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Now apologize Leb

See above for my response.

 

[VFLBerg]

OK 1. CBJ found out after the fact that Paulk never hit the female and it was a lie. 2. I was told by 2 different coaches Paulk would be reinstated 3. I was told a decision would be announced sometime after signing day because of Sapp and Paulk relationship to one another. So I say all that to say it's a 50/50 situation in my eyes, but Paulk did absolutely nothing in this series of events.

So...did all the witnesses lie or were there no witnesses to begin with? Color me confused.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So...did all the witnesses lie or were there no witnesses?

Evvverrrybody Lied! She whooped her own butt. Drae Bowles is gone right, we just blame him.

 

[JacketVol]

Agreed on most. It just seems that the people are using the "we don't know" argument to automatically presume innocence. That's not fair.

Not fair to use it to assume guilt either like LEBVOL. Most are sick of his constant coaches suck routine. Coaches are not always right but to him they are horrible. Troll man who likes to have his name everywhere. true narcissism

 

[Serenadium51]

Agreed on most. It just seems that the people are using the "we don't know" argument to automatically presume innocence. That's not fair.

Its also not fair to assume he's guilty, because we don't know.

In my opinion, it's best to just keep speculation at a minimum with a situation like this. This is the 1st time I've posted on the subject. There's just not enough solid information to form an opinion for me. I'm just gonna roll with Butch.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Not fair to use it to assume guilt either like LEBVOL. Most are sick of his constant coaches suck routine. Coaches are not ways right but to him they are horrible. Troll man who likes to have his name everywhere. true narcissism

I assumed guilt after CBJ considered the eye witness accounts and decided to dismiss the kid from the football program. You may need more info, I didn't.

The kids been innocent all along, CBJ knew it and was waiting till Sapp sighed his LOI to reinstate Paulk? GTH out with that crap.

 

[Fingers]

Not fair to use it to assume guilt either like LEBVOL. Most are sick of his constant coaches suck routine. Coaches are not ways right but to him they are horrible. Troll man who likes to have his name everywhere. true narcissism

I don't prefer his routine on integrity and coaches either, but in this case I don't see what's wrong with his opinion in this thread. Personally, I find those constantly derailing threads by complaining about him, a thousand times more annoying.

But back to the topic, I'm certain there are quite a few people who think this was more than just a misunderstanding or a firm stance on the the political issue of the day. I have more confidence in Butch than some of you. When he suspended Paulk, I tend to believe he had good reason.

It's actually kinda funny that people are allowed to speculate and share their opinion on this topic as long as it involves Paulk's innocence. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

 

[Fingers]

Its also not fair to assume he's guilty, because we don't know.

In my opinion, it's best to just keep speculation at a minimum with a situation like this. This is the 1st time I've posted on the subject. There's just not enough solid information to form an opinion for me. I'm just gonna roll with Butch.

That's fine, but then why is no one jumping on those posters who are speculating on his innocence, basically making up what if scenarios?

And I'm with you on Butch, I have faith that he will make the right decision.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

They took a flyer in a short class for a position of need on a kid everyone agrees is a great athlete...how many coaches in hindsight wish they had taken that same leap on..say..Antonio Gates?

again..

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

If I were a HC and KNOW I had dismissed a kid who was 100 percent innocent, it would be my #1 priority to get him reinstated immediately. Not in a month. Not in 4 months. Not after I get his buddies LOI, but NOW. Would I not owe him that?

Sorry, it's just not adding up.

 

[Serenadium51]

I don't prefer his routine on integrity and coaches either, but in this case I don't see what's wrong with his opinion in this thread. Personally, I find those constantly derailing threads by complaining about him a thousand times more annoying.

But back to the tooic, I'm certain there are quite a few people who think this was more than just a misunderstanding or a firm stance on the the political issue of the day. I have more confidence in Butch than some of you. When he suspended Paulk, I tend to believe he had good reason.

It's actually kinda funny that people are allowed to speculate and share their opinion on this topic as long as it involves Paulk's innocence. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

Paulk could be 100% guilty of domestic abuse. You also have to take into account that domestic abuse can be Like rape cases. AJ Johnson was involved in a rape case and suspended immediately, he still hasn't been found guilty of committing any crimes though. Paulk could've been suspended because he hit his GF. He also could've been suspended to avoid a media circus due to so many football players being involved in domestic abuse. He could've been falsely accused. We just don't know.


If I had it my way, no one would speculate at all because it's really not our business. I generally keep my nose out of these situations. But that isn't realistic.

Although to your point, people are going to jump on the "he's innocent" train because he's a UT player and were UT fans. It is a possibility he is innocent though. He could be 100% guilty too.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

if i were a hc and know i had dismissed a kid who was 100 percent innocent, it would be my #1 priority to get him reinstated immediately. Not in a month. Not in 4 months. Not after i get his buddies loi, but now. Would i not owe him that?

Sorry, it's just not adding up.

6-3 = 6

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

6-3 = 6

"What is the # of QBs taken in the 2016 class"!(6)

 

[Fingers]

Paulk could be 100% guilty of domestic abuse. You also have to take into account that domestic abuse can be Like rape cases. AJ Johnson was involved in a rape case and suspended immediately, he still hasn't been found guilty of committing any crimes though. Paulk could've been suspended because he hit his GF. He also could've been suspended to avoid a media circus due to so many football players being involved in domestic abuse. He could've been falsely accused. We just don't know.


If I had it my way, no one would speculate at all because it's really not our business. I generally keep my nose out of these situations. But that isn't realistic.

Although to your point, people are going to jump on the "he's innocent" train because he's a UT player and were UT fans. It is a possibility he is innocent though. He could be 100% guilty too.

All fair points. I'm fine with the opinions of both camps. But if we are going to discuss it it's only fair to allow points from both sides.

Again, my only issue is the hypocritical posts suggesting we are only allowed to speculate if it sheds a positive light on Paulk.

I hope the kid is innocent.

 

[VolGee4]

If I were a HC and KNOW I had dismissed a kid who was 100 percent innocent, it would be my #1 priority to get him reinstated immediately. Not in a month. Not in 4 months. Not after I get his buddies LOI, but NOW. Would I not owe him that?

Sorry, it's just not adding up.

You really need to just quit with your assumptions because they are out of line. Just like you calling Butch shady for recruiting Sheriron Jones when a report came out that he told both Jennings and Dormady that he was doing it. So, you assume that Paulk is guilty based on Butch not reinstating yet? I hope you never end up on a criminal jury because you can not assume anything.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

There was no trial. There was no courts involved. Its been over 4 months since the incident. What New "info" could have come up to go from dismissed to he didn't do anything?

Imo, that's going to be hard to explain.