'15 AL OL Brandon Kennedy

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Tidal Surge said:
:toast: Pretty good summation, I must say.

It's looking like the NCAA may soon make some changes to transfer rules, reducing or eliminating some constraints. It's hard to predict what all might happen as a result.

One concern Saban mentioned as a potential unintended consequence is that transfer freedom might lead to top programs being able to sometimes cherry pick star players from other schools to fill a hole on their roster, as some players could be enticed by the opportunity to play for a top tier program that's a frequent CFP contender.
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That last part...that affects less than 1% of all div 1 programs, and less than 1% of the players that would even have the opportunity to be a grad transfer from a program of that caliber.
 
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LA Vol said:
Saban was evasive in his rant. Bama isn't following the SEC transfer rule-- Saban cherrypicked schools to block. Bama blocked Kennedy from transferring to 7 of the 8 OOC schools that Bama plays during Kennedy's remaining years of eligibility. Saban won't release him to transfer to any SEC school PLUS Ark St, Duke, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisville, NMSU, So Miss or The Citadel. Saban will release him to transfer to Western Carolina.

Let's just call it what it is-- Saban wants to grant a selective release that benefits nobody but Bama and try to shift the blame to the SEC.
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Posted this yesterday afternoon. It was NEVER about the SEC transfer rule, which regulates when a grad transfer can play, not where. Saban was just trying to blame-shift to cover his power play. Bama tried to block it from the start, then denied Kennedy's appeal and only gave in when Saban realized sentiment was against him.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
One concern Saban mentioned as a potential unintended consequence is that transfer freedom might lead to top programs being able to sometimes cherry pick star players from other schools to fill a hole on their roster, as some players could be enticed by the opportunity to play for a top tier program that's a frequent CFP contender.
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Possibly. The top programs are already the top programs for a reason. They get more of the best players than everybody else. On the front end.
It's not gonna change who those teams are.

In Kennedy's case he's leaving for a better opportunity to play and showcase his ability. He's leaving (if there is one) a sure fire championship of some kind at Bama.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
:toast: Yeah, I knew that's what you meant. I was just trying to state what some of the factors seem to be, and to point out that Kennedy getting a waiver just because Maurice Smith did may not be as automatic as some seem to think.
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You're normally a good poster, continuing with this same diatribe is really not a good look. I would likely be pissed also, but I would not go to a rival board and repeat the same argument over and over.
 
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jakez4ut said:
That last part...that affects less than 1% of all div 1 programs, and less than 1% of the players that would even have the opportunity to be a grad transfer from a program of that caliber.
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I'm confused by your reply. An example of what Saban was refering to would be as follows: A frequent CFP contender school like Bama, Clemson, Ohio State or Oklahoma for whatever reason(s) ends up with sort of a hole at a position, let's say QB. That school could suddenly get some great QBs who are starters at other programs inquiring to transfer there. Iow, the rich could get richer.
 
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The NCAA is voting on changes to the transfer rule in June, anyway. The "permission to contact" rule might be eliminated then. So even if Saban hadn't released Kennedy, he could have been aided by NCAA rule reform and enrolled in summer classes at his new school.
 
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LA Vol said:
The NCAA is voting on changes to the transfer rule in June, anyway. The "permission to contact" rule might be eliminated then. So even if Saban hadn't released Kennedy, he could have been aided by NCAA rule reform and enrolled in summer classes at his new school.
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You think the NCAA is going to relax the rule?

I know a few years back they were on their way to doing away with allowing grad transfers all together.
Most schools seem to support that effort
 
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BruinVol said:
You think the NCAA is going to relax the rule?

I know a few years back they were on their way to doing away with allowing grad transfers all together.
Most schools seem to support that effort
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They know they are going to end up being sued. having any resemblance of a noncompete clause without an effort to create an out will go heavily against them. This isn't a hill worth dying over.
 
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utvols88 said:
They know they are going to end up being sued. having any resemblance of a noncompete clause without an effort to create an out will go heavily against them. This isn't a hill worth dying over.
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Interesting.

Just seems like they could be sued over any number of their similar rules regarding NLIs, transfers and such
 
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utvols88 said:
But allowing grad transfers without penalty would at least throw a wrench in the employee argument.
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Yea the NCAA needs To make sure they do something to stop schools from slowing down the graduating process though. Not sure how on earth that could be policed though
 
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Gonna be awesome when Kennedy is officially a Vol. Two (maybe three) year starter at center. Could end up being the best get of the '18 class.
 
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BruinVol said:
You think the NCAA is going to relax the rule?

I know a few years back they were on their way to doing away with allowing grad transfers all together.
Most schools seem to support that effort
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I think most are pro-reform, especially now that the Kennedy situation has put a spotlight on the rule. The committee already said they don't want schools to have unlimited authority to block transfers or to cherrypick schools that benefit the original school to the player's detriment.
 
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LA Vol said:
I think most are pro-reform, especially now that the Kennedy situation has put a spotlight on the rule. The committee already said they don't want schools to have unlimited authority to block transfers or to cherrypick schools that benefit the original school to the player's detriment.
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That sounds like what I would expect the SEC to do

Not sure about the NCAA knowing what I know about their stance just a few years back

Thanks for your post
 
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drvenner said:
You're normally a good poster, continuing with this same diatribe is really not a good look. I would likely be pissed also, but I would not go to a rival board and repeat the same argument over and over.
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Very few of us were mad when Kirkland was leaving.
 
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Bruin and TS dragging an argument out for pages (at 50 ppp no less) can only mean one thing.

Vol, butches.
 
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drvenner said:
You're normally a good poster, continuing with this same diatribe is really not a good look. I would likely be pissed also, but I would not go to a rival board and repeat the same argument over and over.
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Lol. I'm not arguing.

I think I'm still pretty good poster, for a stinkin' Bammer.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
I'm confused by your reply. An example of what Saban was refering to would be as follows: A frequent CFP contender school like Bama, Clemson, Ohio State or Oklahoma for whatever reason(s) ends up with sort of a hole at a position, let's say QB. That school could suddenly get some great QBs who are starters at other programs inquiring to transfer there. Iow, the rich could get richer.
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There's what 130ish div 1 programs. Annual contenders is bama Clemson, osu, OU and maybe 1 or 2 others. Less than 1%.

In a given year, the chances they have a hole big enough to be filled, by a grad transfer that's good enough to not only fill it, but also contribute significantly enough to "get richer", that wouldn't be a for sure starter at the school he's already at?

I mean it's possible. But still probably less than 1%.

But panties are in a wad because the rich actually might lose something, even if only depth.

Saban is not trying to save college football from itself. What we're talking about are grad transfers.

Not rising sophomores or juniors that get antsy about riding the pine.

Edit: tl;dr version, that's just Saban deflecting.
 
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