'15 CA QB Sheriron Jones (UT Signee 2/4/15)

[Memphisvol87]

If you guys haven't noticed we limped to a bowl game this year and don't even have a full squad of 1s that are dependable. There are rumors of players leaving already so I'm glad butch is cramming any and all talent in the recruiting classes. We have 1 legit qb right now. 1... There is nobody behind Dobbs ... Shady recruiting or absolute desperation to fill a roster? Let these kids run if they are afraid to compete.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I don't pretend to know what's going on in this recruitment but it's safe to say that Butch knows a whole more about the QB situation than anyone else does. So I'm gonna let him do what he gets paid to do. Do your thing, Butch.

Leb, I like you ok but to trash Butch and call him shady and dishonest is just wrong. Not saying he's perfect because this is recruiting. No one knows what's going on behind the scenes of this situation and the communications and such.

I said I did not like the tactic and felt it was dishonest when used it to sign both guys in 2013. Most were fine with it because it worked for UT to slip in another QB. Of course when Riley never bought into the staff or trusted them, he was the bad guy or so fans on here felt. "Not a team player".

Now CBJ is about to try and pull it again, and IMO even worse. I don't like it and have no issue in saying that. I understand some are fine with it, and they can voice that opinion. Much the same way folks don't have to like what I have to say, it goes both ways. I just don't look at things like this and say, "let's just keep that quiet, it doesn't look good".

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

IMO, Jennings and Dormady should both re-open their recruitment and see if they can trade up. There are highly ranked teams well above .500 that are playing in big time bowls and expected to finish in the top ten that want them. Come to think of it, even more teams may come to the table.

Why settle and succumb to bush league tactics?

Coach Jones is going to end up with egg on his face if Jones chooses another school.

While I would hope it does not come to that, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction on here. QD & JJ look elsewhere and then Jones re-commits to UF after he visits with the new staff there.

Some would be all "how did CBJ let this happen"!

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I've been around long enough to know if you have a differing opinion and or don't fall in line with the "group of UT does no wrong", then you have to have thick skin. The name calling, and bashing will happen and you just have to ignore it. For some reason some folks are allowed to call a person names or personally attack them and nothing happens. Others do it and they disappear for a while. I think it matters which group you fall into and if you are "in the group". It is funny at times to watch it all play out. I just state my opinions and ignore the hate. Someone does not like what I have to say. Ignore me. It's not going to hurt my feelings. I don't expect everyone to agree with everything I have to say. Does that make me wrong? No. The whole UT is perfect, CBJ does no wrong, Tennessee is a beacon of sunshine all the time is just hilarious. The folks who buy into that and think do whatever you want and be as shady as you want as long as it gets us to 6-6 and a bowl, are in for a rude awakening IMO. Drop commitments, burn bridges, it does not matter. That will catch up to these coaches and when it does, those same folks will be complaining about how and why all this happened. "Other schools do it".

Sometimes ya just have to sit back and watch it unfold.:zeitung_lesen:

Lol! Leb, you NEVER sit back and watch it unfold! You have to argue with 100 posts each thread about why there's no reason to even be in the position of watching things unfold.

 

[UTFootballFan]

If you guys haven't noticed we limped to a bowl game this year and don't even have a full squad of 1s that are dependable. There are rumors of players leaving already so I'm glad butch is cramming any and all talent in the recruiting classes. We have 1 legit qb right now. 1... There is nobody behind Dobbs ... Shady recruiting or absolute desperation to fill a roster? Let these kids run if they are afraid to compete.

These kids aren't afraid to compete. That's what they've done to get where they are. You don't get the attention from top college football programs without being a competitor.

Even if Jones is talking to them, it doesn't change the fact he went back on his word. Are you all so biased you can't see right from wrong any longer?

 

[UTFootballFan]

While I would hope it does not come to that, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction on here. QD & JJ look elsewhere and then Jones re-commits to UF after he visits with the new staff there.

Some would be all "how did CBJ let this happen"!

Yeah, all the sudden Jones would be an idiot and there would be calls to lynch the kids. People would go nuts' attacking the kids character, integrity and competitiveness.

The double standard is nauseating.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Lol! Leb, you NEVER sit back and watch it unfold! You have to argue with 100 posts each thread about why there's no reason to even be in the position of watching things unfold.

That's the scary part, I DO actually sit back and watch things unfold at times. My post count should ideally be much higher.

As for me posting in multiple threads, IMO it fits the discussion in multiple threads. RB recruiting in RB threads, QB recruiting in QB threads. A lot of times these things just fit. :thumbsup:

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

That's the scary part, I DO actually sit back and watch things unfold at times. My post count should ideally be much higher.

As for me posting in multiple threads, IMO it fits the discussion in multiple threads. RB recruiting in RB threads, QB recruiting in QB threads. A lot of times these things just fit. :thumbsup:

Yeah, you sit back after you have stirred the pot multiple times.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

These kids aren't afraid to compete. That's what they've done to get where they are. You don't get the attention from top college football programs without being a competitor.

Even if Jones is talking to them, it doesn't change the fact he went back on his word. Are you all so biased you can't see right from wrong any longer?

You'll see it play out all the time on here. Today they say they hope the kid sticks with UT and comes to compete. You can mark it down that this time next year if he is not a starter, he will be on the "do we drop this guy to take another signee" list. Never fails.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Yeah, you sit back after you have stirred the pot multiple times.

I am an excellent cook FWIW.

:zeitung_lesen:

 

[Skullbone]

IMO, Jennings and Dormady should both re-open their recruitment and see if they can trade up. There are highly ranked teams well above .500 that are playing in big time bowls and expected to finish in the top ten that want them. Come to think of it, even more teams may come to the table.

Why settle and succumb to bush league tactics?

Coach Jones is going to end up with egg on his face if Jones chooses another school.

In my opinion you should be a Vandy fan. They love crybabies over there. You're not the coach. Deal with it.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

Ok. I think I'm done here for now.

 

[UTFootballFan]

In my opinion you should be a Vandy fan. They love crybabies over there. You're not the coach. Deal with it.

Very insightful comment right there.

I explained earlier I'm not just speculating and pulling crap out of thin air like some on here.

 

[sjt18]

IMO, Jennings and Dormady should both re-open their recruitment and see if they can trade up.

Spoken like a true UT football fan.... :no:

There are highly ranked teams well above .500 that are playing in big time bowls and expected to finish in the top ten that want them. Come to think of it, even more teams may come to the table.

I'll confess to not having read every post you have made or even made in this thread so I'll ask straight out... What is your agenda? Are you vested in one of these recruits? Who specifically is recruiting Jennings as a QB that would be a better option for him than UT? Rivals lists a Bama offer for Dormady but no one else that would be a "trade up". He's also somewhat of a risk in that he has a history of throwing shoulder injuries.

What if Dormady cannot recover fully or continues to have issues? What if Jennings just can't play QB at the SEC level?

I guess your sense of "ethics" would be satisfied but UT's program would be damaged and Jones might even be out of a job... but as long as your sensibilities aren't offended it would be all worth it, right?

Why settle and succumb to bush league tactics?

IIRC, (and I'm pretty sure I do), Richt, Saban, Miles, Mullen, and Meyer are coaches that have done the same or similar. Those are not bush league recruiters.

It stinks but until the NCAA fixes some of the recruiting rules we're likely to see it happen on occasion.

And remember, all I'm saying is that they may have to tell Jennings that his future isn't at QB.

Coach Jones is going to end up with egg on his face if Jones chooses another school.

Or perhaps also if he lets a future great QB get away without trying....

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Spoken like a true UT football fan.... :no:

I'll confess to not having read every post you have made or even made in this thread so I'll ask straight out... What is your agenda? Are you vested in one of these recruits? Who specifically is recruiting Jennings as a QB that would be a better option for him than UT? Rivals lists a Bama offer for Dormady but no one else that would be a "trade up". He's also somewhat of a risk in that he has a history of throwing shoulder injuries.

What if Dormady cannot recover fully or continues to have issues? What if Jennings just can't play QB at the SEC level?

I guess your sense of "ethics" would be satisfied but UT's program would be damaged and Jones might even be out of a job... but as long as your sensibilities aren't offended it would be all worth it, right?

IIRC, (and I'm pretty sure I do), Richt, Saban, Miles, Mullen, and Meyer are coaches that have done the same or similar. Those are not bush league recruiters.

It stinks but until the NCAA fixes some of the recruiting rules we're likely to see it happen on occasion.

And remember, all I'm saying is that they may have to tell Jennings that his future isn't at QB.



Or perhaps also if he lets a future great QB get away without trying....

I'll chime in on a couple points here.

Dormady just played his entire SR season.
Recover fully? I'm not sure what you're trying to point to there.

Jennings not being an SEC QB.
The kid was quoted as saying he would not consider schools that were not signing him to play QB. Obviously if CBJ did not see him as an SEC QB, he should not have taken his commitment.

JMO

 

[RockyTop85]

If CBJ is being sneaky he seems to be failing seeing as we have this thread full of articles from recruiting sites.

 

[Wickman]

Very insightful comment right there.

I explained earlier I'm not just speculating and pulling crap out of thin air like some on here.

Really? So you have an inside track on both their recruitment and how they feel? Because when you first started this topic, your comments seemed as if it was pure speculation.

 

[butchna]

I don't think it's a conspiracy. Just shady recruiting tactics. If CBJ pushes to sneak in the 3rd QB, I just hope that QD & JJ's parents are smart enough to see it playing out and advises the kids to take a step back. Unless CBJ gets burned pulling stuff like this, he will continue doing it. I'd rather not see it.

Focus on the "if" part Leb...you've already tarred and feathered him and all we have is crystal ball projections and us in his top 5. I've traditionally been in the same camp with you concerning not "recruiting over" or asking commits to look around, but this revisionist Riley Ferguson was wronged scenario coupled with this Sheriron Zapruder Tape breakdown paints you in a markedly different light.

 

[wildorange]

Very insightful comment right there.

I explained earlier I'm not just speculating and pulling crap out of thin air like some on here.

Dude, you are so clueless about recruiting. You have no idea how Butch Jones recruits, and I highly doubt many if any share your opinion. We continue to do well on the trail, and will continue to do well on the trail. I don't know what your expecting but maybe you need to find another team if you don't like Jones and staff and the great job they are doing. Your obviously never going to be satisfied and you for sure do not understand recruiting. GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!

 

[VolGee4]

I said I did not like the tactic and felt it was dishonest when used it to sign both guys in 2013. Most were fine with it because it worked for UT to slip in another QB. Of course when Riley never bought into the staff or trusted them, he was the bad guy or so fans on here felt. "Not a team player".

Now CBJ is about to try and pull it again, and IMO even worse. I don't like it and have no issue in saying that. I understand some are fine with it, and they can voice that opinion. Much the same way folks don't have to like what I have to say, it goes both ways. I just don't look at things like this and say, "let's just keep that quiet, it doesn't look good".

Once again, irresponsible. It is one thing to make an informed opinion. It's another to make an opinion without knowing anything or being privy to what is being discussed. That is just as bad as what you claim CBJ is doing. Recklessness. That is all there is to it. I don't even care if you are right because you are purely speculating.

 

[Kook]

Based on CBJ's recruiting thus far, I trust his direction. That is all.

 

[Wickman]

The "bush league tactics" are done by every coach tjat is successful in recruiting in the country. Therefore, if he is wanting to "trade up," the coach he is going to has likely done the exact same thing. Matter of fact, that coach may ask a committed kid to look around so he could take JJ or QD. And therefore would be the same thing.

 

[Wickman]

Leb, Riley left because he was not named starter in the spring. That is absolutely quitting on your team

 

[DaddyChad]

A quick copy paste from another thread since this seems more appropriate to debate the QB position.

QB who knows at this point BUT if Peterman is looking to be gone then maybe there is more need to take a third QB. I still don't know that the staff trusts Dobbs at this point. We're likely looking at a true freshman backing up Dobbs at this point regardless and the other two redshirting IF we even end up taking three.

I do think Jones should be up front with all parties BUT I do also think that all parties must understand that situations change and evolve over the course of time. If Dormady or Jennings aren't comfortable with competeting with current or future players on the roster at QB then I understand BUT likely they aren't going to find an easier path to the starting position than anywhere else. I do agree that likely we do have some future attrition at QB if we take all three BUT I would rather get the guy in this class.

 

[Wickman]

I really doubt Jones wasn't upfront with all parties that he would go see another QB, especially knowing it would be reported the next day